I'm bored

[TomTom]

Perfect to the river then hate it. Villain in BB called back 1 bet PF, that’s a wide range of any two cards.

Yes, river does bring the 3-flush out, but it also brings an overcard. As you bet a dry flop and turn, villain may well be reading you with nothing to a small pair, and the river giving him top pair/no kicker.

River is a check/call for me: I hate the card but I made my hand and I want to see SD.

[kerowo]

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Why was this a b/f instead of a b/c? Couldn't BB put you on a PP and raise when his A gets there? What stakes were these? The lower the stakes, the more likely I would be to call this.

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you assume this guy has a brain?

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Then why fold?

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Villain is a about a 50 VPIP and played pretty passively.


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Is this read developed enough to lay it down on the river?

Doesn't the river take a large portion of his FD range out of the equation?

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Range?

[sharpie]

You need a pretty good read here to fold, and with that good of a read it's probably not worth posting the hand as the right play is obvious.

If all I had to go on was the info you gave, I wouldn't fold the river. Better aces often 3 bet PF, even passive players will often put a raise in on a previous street with a FD. Lastly, if he's even slightly aware he should realize ranges are alot wider in a BVB confrontation, although he's probably not thinking in those terms.

[Aaron W.]

Stakes are $1/2 6-max and my read was weakly supported by some PT numbers: 47/7/0.78 after 55 hands.

This is a spot where I think bet-call cannot possibly be right. I think your options are bet-fold and check-call, but check-call against a passive player tends to be bad because you just allow yourself to be value bet to busto.

[mvoss]

I think this is very very standard against a passive player.

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I think c/c is really close. Even a bad passive players bluff and this is such an obvious bluff card.

[Bigka79]

why do we b/f this river as opposed to c/c. yeah out ace hits but why would we ever think of folding it. i dont know if this is standard or not i know the ace is scarry but he could be raising a weaker ace or bluffing the flush.

although i look back and u say he plays passively. in that case i think we can make an argument for c/c the river because the draw came in but thats just how i play it and im a donktard

[bozlax]

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This is a spot where I think bet-call cannot possibly be right.

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I would agree except that you have no read and you're playing a game where stupid, senseless aggression is the norm. You've gotta call this river.

[Aaron W.]

For those who think bet-calling is right, let's try get some hand ranges and raising frequencies sorted out.

1) What do you think the hand range is preflop?
2) What is it reduced to when he calls the turn?
3) What hands do you think he's willing to raise on the river?