Two pair on monotone flop .. WWJD

[DJ Sensei]

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lol the check is hilarious? The only thing that is is hilarious is your poker knowledge...

So you expect me to go out on this flop and what do you expect me to do when he raises me? Am I really behind in every case here? I don't think so! Should I call his potential raise or should I fold it? And if a blank falls on river, should I fold when I am then committed?? Interesting....Since every set on that flop and atleast top-two-pair would raise me on that flop, I really can not put him on boat on turn. That is why I figurered I would get the best value from a draw-bluff and an A by check-raising, but since you only can see what he had you think it was a bad play, which I find is extremely hilarious and only shows that you are a poor poker player.

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HU4rolls?

[jfish]

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his turn check is pretty hilarious

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seems ok to me.

[Duckfighter]

No, I do not want to play against you hu4rolls. You seem to think you are somewhat of a God, who only can judge other people's game without giving a fair explanation. If you wrote that the check is hilarious, since some people check behind hands that I beat, that would be a good argument. But in this case I thought my opponent was very aggressive and would try to steal with every draw and bet with every A. You have to agree that it is not easy to put him on boat? So why do not you explain why it is hilarious or do I have to pay you for that kind of coaching?

[Rampage_Jackson]

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lol the check is hilarious? The only thing that is is hilarious is your poker knowledge...

So you expect me to go out on this flop and what do you expect me to do when he raises me? Am I really behind in every case here? I don't think so! Should I call his potential raise or should I fold it? And if a blank falls on river, should I fold when I am then committed?? Interesting....Since every set on that flop and atleast top-two-pair would raise me on that flop, I really can not put him on boat on turn. That is why I figurered I would get the best value from a draw-bluff and an A by check-raising, but since you only can see what he had you think it was a bad play, which I find is extremely hilarious and only shows that you are a poor poker player.

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You are an idiot if you are just joined the forum to defend yourself against some person you never met.

[DJ Sensei]

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No, I do not want to play against you hu4rolls. You seem to think you are somewhat of a God, who only can judge other people's game without giving a fair explanation. If you wrote that the check is hilarious, since some people check behind hands that I beat, that would be a good argument. But in this case I thought my opponent was very aggressive and would try to steal with every draw and bet with every A. You have to agree that it is not easy to put him on boat? So why do not you explain why it is hilarious or do I have to pay you for that kind of coaching?

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alright, fair. i just figured that the analysis of the hand was complete, at least from the perspective of the OP. I think your check behind is weak because you have far from the nut flush, and so much of his range includes single bigger diamonds than you have. Additionally, most of those hands who are currently behind will check behind to see a river that may improve them. Of course you don't have to pay off when they get there, but you certainly lose value against those types of hands by checking turn. Also, if you bet turn, you can fold to a raise, and save yourself plenty of money when behind. But by checkraising, you commit your stack in a situation where you'll only be called when behind (unless he has precisely AxKd or AxQd and has the correct odds to chase you anyhow, and those kind of hands are quite likely to raise the flop). Just because somebody is "aggressive" doesnt mean they're gonna throw out a bet anytime they're checked to, in a situation that would be generally inappropriate for betting anyhow.


and I don't think i'm a god, though that would certainly make poker easier. If you are actually interested in coaching, let me know.

[Duckfighter]

Thank you for a very good answer! I do have to say that it is a very interesting hand. I though have to disagree to a fold on a potential reraise from him on turn, and I really think you have to agree that my hand is very hard to fold in this situation? But I thank you for your good analysis and wish you the best of luck!

[aislephive]

I don't think your turn check is terrible, but I do prefer betting again. If I have something like AJ with the J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I'll check the turn quite a bit. If I had an ace with no diamond I would likely bet the turn, but I'd probably fold to a raise. The one reason why I don't think a turn check is bad is because I would peel the flop with some big diamonds and bet the turn here when checked to, but fold to a bet in most cases. I think generally a turn c/r is going to let me off the hook with a lot of Ax hands, or perhaps even a smaller flush, but I'm almost definitely calling down with those hands if not shoving.

[SuperRu]

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his turn check is pretty hilarious

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seems ok to me.

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QFT

[jfish]

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No, I do not want to play against you hu4rolls. You seem to think you are somewhat of a God, who only can judge other people's game without giving a fair explanation. If you wrote that the check is hilarious, since some people check behind hands that I beat, that would be a good argument. But in this case I thought my opponent was very aggressive and would try to steal with every draw and bet with every A. You have to agree that it is not easy to put him on boat? So why do not you explain why it is hilarious or do I have to pay you for that kind of coaching?

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alright, fair. i just figured that the analysis of the hand was complete, at least from the perspective of the OP. I think your check behind is weak because you have far from the nut flush, and so much of his range includes single bigger diamonds than you have. Additionally, most of those hands who are currently behind will check behind to see a river that may improve them. Of course you don't have to pay off when they get there, but you certainly lose value against those types of hands by checking turn. Also, if you bet turn, you can fold to a raise, and save yourself plenty of money when behind. But by checkraising, you commit your stack in a situation where you'll only be called when behind (unless he has precisely AxKd or AxQd and has the correct odds to chase you anyhow, and those kind of hands are quite likely to raise the flop). Just because somebody is "aggressive" doesnt mean they're gonna throw out a bet anytime they're checked to, in a situation that would be generally inappropriate for betting anyhow.


and I don't think i'm a god, though that would certainly make poker easier. If you are actually interested in coaching, let me know.

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i really couldnt disagree more. he isnt checking behind, he is oop. if he checks, A5 bets the turn with nearly his whole range and most people dont fold trips to any action (lol) so this allows him to build a pot faster with his flush. i also disagree that he can fold to a raise on the turn. 44/77/A7 raises the flop almost certainly and A4 is like the one full house he can really have.