Anyone here a prop in Vegas??

[VegasRunner]

Is anyone doing well as a prop player in Vegas?

I've been paying my rent in Vegas playing 1-3 and 2-5 nl for awhile now and I was wondering if I could be making an hourly rate on top of that.

Any info about experiences, possible casinos who use props, ect. would be greatly appreciated.

[lordfoo]

I know of two Las Vegas casinos that use proposition players. I know one of them is not seeking more at this time. I'm fairly sure the other is also not seeking more at this time.

In a few weeks I plan on writing a trip report on my experience as a Las Vegas prop.

[LasVegasMichael]

Sam's Town has one named Jimmy last time I checked, and Venetian has a couple. Don't know their names, though, and don't know if they are still there.

[bav]

Many Vegas rooms use their dealers as props. They are allowed and often encouraged to play while they're on the clock to help get games going or to keep 'em going. Since they're making their $6.50/hr, or whatever, they're technically props.

[EWillers]

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I know of two Las Vegas casinos that use proposition players.

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Names of PROPerties? (sorry, couldn't help myself).

As for dealers playing while on the clock being de facto props, I'm not sure if this is the case.

I don't know the specifics of the law defining props (if there is such a law/code). It would seem to me though, that simply being on the clock (as a dealer) would not mean that you are "propping" for a house.

You are a dealer at the house. If you play cards while on the clock, you are still a dealer at the house. It would seem to me the determining factor for whether a player is a prop is when the house dictates which games you must play in while on the clock. That's the nature of a prop (go play in this game. . .now that it's full, go play in that game). When a dealer on the clock decides to play while there is down time, he is still master of his domain as to which games he chooses to play (I believe he is at least).

[bav]

Interesting fine line. But yeah, probably by Nevada Gaming's definition of a prop, a dealer using his break time to play doesn't count since he isn't paid specifically to play.
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9. Proposition player: A person paid a fixed sum by the licensee for the specific purpose of playing in a card game who uses his own funds and who retains his winnings and absorbs his losses.

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Seems like that opens loopholes. If a casino wants to get around the rules governing identifying and limiting props, they could hire them as dealers and then just never let them deal.

I didn't know this:
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6. No more than two proposition players may play in a card game. No more than a combination of four shills and proposition players may play in a card game.

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Also, shills cannot check-raise. Props can.