Pm received by a few of us. Not sure what to think.

[jman220]

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I dunno if we want to start holding mods to a higher posting standard, but it would be nice if someone handled the srs biz in ATF if I'm away or don't know the answer. I assume this PM is related to Mat's new ATF sticky.

I think one reason for the idea that "Mods gang up on users" in ATF is the don't criticize other mods rule. If a user criticizes a mod in ATF, it is basically against the rules to take the user's side. Since mods are a high percentage of posters in ATF, this can lead to a distorted view about the wisdom of a moderating decision.

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Iron, I'm curious why you pm'd Kaj, a known troll, the contents of this thread in the mod forum? Or am I wrong and he is just misrepresenting that in his posts in ATF? If Mat wanted to make Kaj aware of what he had said and what others had said, wouldn't it have been more appropriate for him to have PM'd Kaj back, rather than you?

Yours in Confusion,
--jman220

[iron81]

His post was accurate. The reason I PMed him was that I was hoping he would give 2+2 and the Politics forum another try. Kaj is not a troll, his posts in Politics and ATF at least (I don't read his contributions in other forums) are generally intelligent and respectful and I wanted him to resume posting.

Also, I felt he deserved to know what was happening, given that he apparently instigated some soul searching on Mat's part.

[jman220]

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His post was accurate. The reason I PMed him was that I was hoping he would give 2+2 and the Politics forum another try. Kaj is not a troll, his posts in Politics and ATF at least (I don't read his contributions in other forums) are generally intelligent and respectful and I wanted him to resume posting.

As for my blabbing what Mat posted, guilty as charged.

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I'm just curious why you thought it would be more appropriate for you to pm him, rather than, say, telling Mat maybe he should. Don't you think it makes it look unprofessional that instead of an Admin responding to his concerns, it was merely another mod who was essentially just "leaking" him information? Is there a reason you didn't at the very least, post in the mod forum first asking what other mods and the admins thought of this before unilaterally deciding to do that?

[iron81]

Do you actually want to know, or is this just your way of dragging me over the coals?

The one time I was banned, Andyfox took it upon himself to PM me that the reason I was unbanned was because Ryan had overturned Sniper's decision. Otherwise, I wouldn't have found out about this until I became a mod. I don't think anyone would begrudge Andy his PM and that's because I had a right to know what was happening. Yes, it would be better if Mat had PMed him instead of me, but I don't regret writing Kaj. The reason I didn't ask anyone else was merely to save time/laziness. I don't really want to bother Mat or the Mod Forum unless an issue is close and this wasn't.

Also, I hope you're not calling me out in here because you believe BluffTHIS's theory that Kaj = Cyrus. I've pretty well disproved that through IP investigation at Bluff's request.

[jman220]

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Also, I felt he deserved to know what was happening, given that he apparently instigated some soul searching on Mat's part.

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You edited this part in after I responded, but I'll ask again. If you felt that he deserved to know what was going on in the Mod Forum, why not post that here first, so that an admin could tell him what was going on? I'm curious why you felt the need to take this action (which I was under the impression was a no-no) unilaterally.

[tuq]

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Kaj is not a troll, his posts in Politics and ATF at least (I don't read his contributions in other forums) are generally intelligent and respectful

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Obviously we're seemingly past the matter at hand iron so I'm not trying to pile on, but I wanted to address this post.

I have no idea of Kaj's tone in Politics, but all his posts in ATF seem to come off as argumentative and/or bitchy. He is one of a VERY short list that I deliberately avoid because he seems to have no sense of humor. None. There's no point joking with someone who can't take it. And yet despite this I ended up on his list of Bad People. For all the hate towards BluffTHIS!, you have to admit he isn't afraid to get dirty and doesn't seem to fall back on Mason when he gets butt hurt.

Anyway, I was sort of dismayed at NT! and jman taking him to task in public, so last night I sent him a private, professional PM to try to bring him around. Sort of a cease-fire PM. He ignored it completely and resumed posting. This makes me lean towards him being a troll. If he isn't open to reasonable, private discourse about how to improve the forums - instead his idea is to fire off a PM to the site owner with unsubstantiated attacks - then I have to believe this place is better off without him.

[jman220]

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Kaj is not a troll, his posts in Politics and ATF at least (I don't read his contributions in other forums) are generally intelligent and respectful and I wanted him to resume posting.


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Even you've banned him:

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needlessly confrontational, whiny, smug prick. give him a break any time guys. NT

This guy is an ass and I don't think he's going to last long. --jman220 4/3/07

Suspended 6 hours for being overly confrontational, twisting the words of posts, and attacking without adding anything constructive. --jman220 4/3/07

One Day Ban for Personal Attack in Politics Thread: "Stop being such a dupe." --jman220 4/21/07

Two day ban for personal attack 4-25-07 iron

Warned for bitching about moderation, starting threads to complain about tame PMs, 9-6-07 iron


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[NT!]

iron,

strongly disagree that kaj is anything but a troll. if you think otherwise, my opinion is that you are letting the fact that you sometimes agree with him obscure the fact that he is an awful poster.

don't really care that you PM'd him info from the mod forum, am baffled however at why you would want him to come back.

[diebitter]

To be fair to NT!, he's had some real nitwits lately complaining about perfectly reasonable actions. In fact, I'm more appreciative of what he has to get through than I've ever been after seeing those dumb complaints.

I also think within forums, mods should run it as they see fit, and more laxity should be given to the busier forums like OOT and 4Life than the smaller forums, and there's just so much to get through for the mods of the bigger forums.


However, having said that, NT's being doing his rude asshat arrogant routine forever in ATF, and now seems a good time to actually curtail it massively. Just keep it in OOT or whatever. The same goes for any mods.

I think horsing around with other posters you know, like Tuq does, is perfectly fine though.

To unknown posters, we would be best to treat them with reasonable and considered comment in ATF.

If a poster posts a complaint that really doesn't deserve individual comment, just cut and paste the section of the sticky they broke the rule from.

[entertainme]

I'm not a fan of calling posters idiots, (for example), even if I would judge some of their actions idiotic.

With subtlety, you can make your point without splashing around in the gutter.