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04-21-2007, 12:54 AM
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Re: Best quick argument against the \"social contract\" canard
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[ QUOTE ] http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1 [/ QUOTE ] It's weird how all of your arguments are made by way of strained analogies. [/ QUOTE ] It's not strained, it's ridiculous, which is exactly the point - the analogy points out the ridiculousness of the social contract. 
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04-21-2007, 12:59 AM
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Re: Best quick argument against the \"social contract\" canard
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1 [/ QUOTE ] It's weird how all of your arguments are made by way of strained analogies. [/ QUOTE ] It's not strained, it's ridiculous, which is exactly the point - the analogy points out the ridiculousness of the social contract. [/ QUOTE ] So whoever can come up with the dumbest analogy wins?
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04-21-2007, 01:01 AM
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Re: Best quick argument against the \"social contract\" canard
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Thats exactly what you should be doing. The social contract isnt something that exists, its an imaginary construct that is backed up by the legitimacy of democracy. You should then ask them about the effectiveness of democracy. How egalitarian can the social contract be when democracy is just a way for people with money to control the people who make the laws in this country? [/ QUOTE ] The trouble is, for this argument to be effective they have to not be infatuated with democracy and sadly, far too many people are infatuated with it. That's really the problem, if i'd gone that route then I'd have to have then debated the merits of democracy which would've just taken forever.
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04-21-2007, 01:02 AM
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Re: Best quick argument against the \"social contract\" canard
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[ QUOTE ] This is a total non sequitur. These "existing property entitlements" are no imposition on you at all, since you have no right to any of that property to begin with. This is like saying that George Steinbrenner is imposing upon me by not letting me have the Yankees. [/ QUOTE ] They're an imposition if they're your only way of leaving your house. Such is the problem of shared, finite property and historical rights - which AC cannot solve. Don't pretend that it can. [/ QUOTE ] What's the problem, exactly? Bill Gates is going to buy a 1-foot-wide donut of property around my house and hold me hostage for all my money? It's pretty clear that some pathological stalemate where nobody allows anyone else to cross their property, and everyone is confined to some tiny parcel of land is a big loser situation for everyone. Nobody will make any money, everyone will starve. Well, eventually, as people die off, people will move in and take the unclaimed land. Someone will figure out that working together will improve things. [ QUOTE ] One could also argue that you have no right to make government issued money without paying the social costs incurred under the social contract (i.e. taxes). [/ QUOTE ] I never claimed any right to it. But if the owner of the money wants to trade it to me in exchage for goods or services, you have no right to interfere. Unless you're claiming that you actually own the money. Are you going to make that claim? [ QUOTE ] You're free to forgo government issued money and print your own. [/ QUOTE ]  http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/inde...ase&id=710 [ QUOTE ] Prosecutors with the Department of Justice have determined that the use of these gold and silver NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as circulating money is a Federal crime. [/ QUOTE ]
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04-21-2007, 01:02 AM
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Re: Best quick argument against the \"social contract\" canard
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1 [/ QUOTE ] It's weird how all of your arguments are made by way of strained analogies. [/ QUOTE ] It's not strained, it's ridiculous, which is exactly the point - the analogy points out the ridiculousness of the social contract. [/ QUOTE ] So whoever can come up with the dumbest analogy wins? [/ QUOTE ] If your argument is logically analogous to a situation that is ridiculous, your argument is probably of questionable merit.
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04-21-2007, 01:03 AM
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Re: Best quick argument against the \"social contract\" canard
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1 [/ QUOTE ] It's weird how all of your arguments are made by way of strained analogies. [/ QUOTE ] It's not strained, it's ridiculous, which is exactly the point - the analogy points out the ridiculousness of the social contract. [/ QUOTE ] So whoever can come up with the dumbest analogy wins? [/ QUOTE ] The dumbest *valid* analogy.
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#17
04-21-2007, 01:04 AM
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Re: Best quick argument against the \"social contract\" canard
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This is a total non sequitur. These "existing property entitlements" are no imposition on you at all, since you have no right to any of that property to begin with. This is like saying that George Steinbrenner is imposing upon me by not letting me have the Yankees. [/ QUOTE ] They're an imposition if they're your only way of leaving your house. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, that's what I should be afraid of. Some guy is going to buy the 20 foot circular plots of land aroud other peoples propery and post armed guards there demanding the homeowners do not come onto his property because this is his new pasttime. [/ QUOTE ] To both you and pvn: Not quite. He'll simply own the main access roads so you're forced to pay whatever money or conditions he charges for his services, even though you had no say in said ownership. I'll repeat again. Finite property. Historical ownership. Same problems as the social contract. Looks like politics is back to what it was. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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04-21-2007, 01:04 AM
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Prosecutors with the Department of Justice have determined that the use of these gold and silver NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as circulating money is a Federal crime. [/ QUOTE ] local currencies are not illegal. (Though you can bet if they started destabilizing the dollar monopoly, they would be made so)
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04-21-2007, 01:05 AM
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The dumbest *valid* analogy. [/ QUOTE ] The validity of your analogy is exactly what he's calling strained... [ QUOTE ] local currencies are not illegal. (Though you can bet if they started destabilizing the dollar monopoly, they would be made so) [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I have to concede that point.
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04-21-2007, 01:07 AM
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Re: Best quick argument against the \"social contract\" canard
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1 [/ QUOTE ] It's weird how all of your arguments are made by way of strained analogies. [/ QUOTE ] It's not strained, it's ridiculous, which is exactly the point - the analogy points out the ridiculousness of the social contract. [/ QUOTE ] So whoever can come up with the dumbest analogy wins? [/ QUOTE ] The dumbest *valid* analogy. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly.
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