44 BvB

[l0gician]

I dunno the flop and after I felt I was betting for value. Oink I see a c/r on the flop as leagues ahead of my donk bet too. Maybe I am too scared of losing a big pot and would have folded the donk bet to a raise. If I c/r and he capped again then I'm not sure what to do. I do realize this hand was played like an expert donk, but maybe it will give him something to think about next bvb.

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I dont think c/r is better than donking here.

You do realize that you can c/c as well, right?

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You do realize that you can c/c as well, right?

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Wait, what? You can do that?

[l0gician]

Why c/c if you think you are best?

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Why c/c if you think you are best?

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Because villain is betting his entire range and raising his better hands.

So when you bet you get 2 bets in when behind and 1 bet in when ahead.

When you c/c you get 1 bet in regardless.


The post you just made is a good example of the wrong way of thinking about poker.

I suggest you pick up some basic poker theory books. Like Theory of Poker.

[l0gician]

getting $ in when you are better is not good theory?

[l0gician]

If I fold to the raise I lose 2, if I c/c and lose I lose 3? I'm playing 6 tables and trying to write here, probably a retarded idea.

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getting $ in when you are better is not good theory?

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I see you are into math so lets do this example

You are on the river

You know your opponenet can have 3 hands. 1, 2 and 3. The 3 hands are equally likely

You beat hands 1 and 2 and loose to hand 3

The pot is 0 bets.

If you bet he will raise hands 2 and 3. Since you will get 3:1 on your call you have to b/c. He will fold hand 1

If you check he will bet all 3 hands.

EV of c/c = 1/3 + 1/3 - 1/3 = 1/3
EV of b/c = 2/3 - 2/3 = 0


So no, "getting $ in when you are better" is not a good theory. You have to consider what he does with the various hands in his range.


Getting back to your hand. Since he will bet his entire range betting does you no good.

When he raises you will either put in 1 more bet as a dog or you will fold your hand in a big pot at a point where it still might be good.

Your line of complete/raise/call PF and then donk/fold flop is God awful against this kind of player and against 90% of all online players when you consider it is a BvB spot.

You are thinking about LHE and prolly poker the wrong way.

[l0gician]

Probably am thinking about it wrong because I can't stand c/c'ing. I already know the hand was played like a tard. I also am 99% sure he isn't folding ever no matter what comes down.

[rzk]

roughly speaking, if you will call his raise (or if you have a somewhat close fold) and if he always bets if you check and never folds a worse hand if you bet, you need to be about 2/3 favorite to choose betting over checking. so no, it's not enough to be a favorite.

also, if he folds some worse hands to your bet, you need to be an even bigger favorite.

you are never this much of a favorite with your 44. you also cannot comfortably fold if he raises.