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Old 05-24-2007, 07:38 AM
Fiksdal Fiksdal is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

Sorry! Forget my range post. lol.

UTG seems to have QQ/KK. (maybe AK because he is passive and could be scared here.

BTN probably has Ax.

This looks sweet. AI. Ban OP if he doesn't understand this.
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Old 05-24-2007, 08:36 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

villain = BTN !

UTG was no problem at all...

New standard line: NEVER EVER fold a set?!
I never folded one before, but if I don't fold it in this spot against this nit, I will never fold it...
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Old 05-24-2007, 08:48 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

OK I guess it doesn't qualify for a ban then.

BTNs low agression factor worries me, but he plays a lot of hands (by just calling preflop), so he could easily have aces up or any two pair here.

If he happens to have a straight (possible), you are drawing very live, to 10 outs. So this doesn't harm your equity against his range as much as you'd think.

AA is very unlikely, as even this guy should 3bet that preflop. The fact that PFR is > 0 should be caused by something, right? Still, if someone were to be suspected for slow playing AA preflop, I'd admit it would be this guy. Still, him having AA here is outweighted due to his preflop flatcall.

88 doesn't call flop (extremely unlikely at least)

99 is possible (fitting his play on all streets), but come on. You are still doing fine against his range, and the deep stacks in play here are favorable for you, especially since villain is likely not gonna be able to adjust to them.

Conclusion: Raise All-in on the turn and expect to be called by plenty of two pair hands, and even TPTK a good portion of the time.

And btw I don't like your flop check at all. I lead there. I also lead the turn.
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Old 05-24-2007, 08:53 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

There is a bigger chance you suck out on a quad than he has a higher set here [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 05-24-2007, 08:57 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

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There is a bigger chance you suck out on a quad than he has a higher set here [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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lol leveling?
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Old 05-24-2007, 10:35 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

Set over Set is made to loose some money. So either shove and get the pot or just shove and loose like a man vs. a higher set! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 05-24-2007, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

Term : Scared Money.
Definition: Playing with money you can't afford to lose.
Example :
1) Putting your opponent on 1 specific hand that beats you instead of the range of hand he could have that you crush.

2) Folding a set in a raised pot on an ace high board on a turn that only completed a wierd gutshot in a 3way pot.
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Old 05-24-2007, 11:05 AM
Warteen Warteen is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

As stated by previous posters, this is a terrible fold. You almost certainly have the best hand, even against a passive opponent.
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Old 05-24-2007, 11:22 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: Z0MG I folded bottom-set!!11

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I never folded one before, but if I don't fold it in this spot against this nit, I will never fold it...

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villain is far from a nit, I think you see two pair or a lone ace here way more often then you see an overset or straight.

There's times where folding a set is correct, but this isn't even close to one of them.
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