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Old 10-08-2007, 10:54 PM
wattascoop wattascoop is offline
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Default NL10: Top pair weak kicker

This is my very first hand at the table. W

Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (UTG): $10
CO: $9.85
BTN: $34.20
SB: $12.25
BB: $10

Hero posts $0.10
Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero checks, CO folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.35) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.30</font>, BTN calls $0.30, BB folds

Turn: ($0.95) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.65</font>, BTN calls $0.65

River: ($2.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $2.25</font>, Hero ????
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:57 PM
john voight john voight is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Top pair weak kicker

dont post dead blinds

flop and turn are okey.

easy call on river; your chopping 90% of time.

pf raise is an option as well, since you cant call a CO or BTN raise.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:20 PM
Micro Donk Micro Donk is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Top pair weak kicker

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easy call on river; your chopping 90% of time.


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if hes chopping 90% of the time and losing 10% of the time isnt it an easy fold then?
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:33 PM
Jauron Jauron is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Top pair weak kicker

I don't get the turn bet, you can beat a pair of 2's and some really stubborn PP's

I don't like the call here, bet something on the river if you want to block him and fold to a raise. You are at best chopping this most of the time.
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Old 10-09-2007, 03:35 AM
john voight john voight is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Top pair weak kicker

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easy call on river; your chopping 90% of time.


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if hes chopping 90% of the time and losing 10% of the time isnt it an easy fold then?

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no b/c the money in the pot from flop and turn makes up for the money we will lose on the last call on river.

2.25 in pot already, villain bets 2.25 = 4.50

we need to call 2.25 to chop a 6.75 pot

the 9x we call and win we split the initial 2.25 so we make $1.12

the 1X we call and lose, we lose $2.25 so if in fact the chop/lose range is 9:1, calling here is very profitable.

if this is confusing, imagine this:

there is 230$ in the pot, and villain goes all in for his last 3$ on river. Its 3$ for you to call. (same exact board and assumptions) do you call? yes. b/c if you dont, your losing that whole 230$ 100% of time. same situation here. now if the pot was 0.00 and he bet 2.25 its an auto fold b/c ate best your chopping (89% of time) 10% you lose, and 1% you win. - this is what you are thinking about.

but b/c there is money in the pot, before his bet, we need to call/ fold depending on the % we chop in realtion to teh amount in the pot.
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:35 AM
wattascoop wattascoop is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Top pair weak kicker

I'm not sure I understand why you say we're chopping 90 percent of the time.
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Old 10-10-2007, 04:12 PM
JoseRijo JoseRijo is offline
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Default Re: NL10: Top pair weak kicker

It's more like 80% chop, 10% behind, and 10% ahead!

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LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $11.55
SB: $11.80
BB: $6.30
Hero (UTG): $13
MP: $5.80
CO: $3.75

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, MP calls $0.40, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.40</font>, MP calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($1.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1

Results: $3.75 Pot ($0.15 Rake)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Sevens) and WON $3.60 (+$1.80 NET)
MP showed T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-$1.80 NET)
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