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Old 11-29-2007, 03:15 PM
Niggel Niggel is offline
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Default [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1930
UTG+1: t1830
MP1: t1500
CO: t5340
Button: t2660
SB: t2880
Hero: t3860

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t300)</font>, MP1 folds, CO calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t500)</font>, 2 folds, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t700, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets t200</font>, CO calls t200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t900)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t3660</font>

Is this a good spot for a check/RAI or should I rather bet out and call a shove or would somebody consider c/c or c/f ??

CO is loose
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

CRAI is kind of too much. I think c/c is probably best, especially since CO is so deep, I would not be that interested in getting it in w/ a 12 outer probably for like 8000 chips.
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

No need to crai. You are deep and getting the right price to call. Loose CO might not be able to lay down A9.
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

I like c/c. Great spot to draw, but I don't see a need to get your stack in yet.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

Allright thanks alot. When would you say it's more appropriate to check/RAI? If both would be really tight or is it not in general a good hand for such a move.

I am in general not a big fan of c/c because most of the time you will be faced with a bigger bet on the turn to which you usually have to fold. So I wouldn't call a flop bet when I just get 1:2 pot odds.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

what they said. i c/c because of the odds, and we'll likely stack a hand that hit the flop if we hit.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

It's standard shove preflop and standard to c/r-AI here. Don't understand what other guys here mean, but it's standard here at least higher buyins. You might get better spots in a $22, but having 7 opponents still in the Push-Or-Fold time signalizes it might not be the softest SnG to be in, so just squeeze pf or c/push postflop.

Having the odds to call is nice and it's o.k. to call, but if you do the mathematics, you'll find out that it's a bit more +EV to c/r-AI with a lot of Fold-Equity and still a lot of Equity if getting callt.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:44 PM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

C/C is pretty damn weak. Villain min bet a reggedy flop for goodness sake. We got a monster, I'd usually just lead the flop. As played I say raise to like 800.
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Old 11-29-2007, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

I hate leading this flop, and I love a CRAI. You're finally in a situation in a SNG where you have good fold equity and a big pot! It's almost like a cash game! Plus you're OOP and playing later streets is going to be tough as the pot bloats and draws show up and the board pairs.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:07 AM
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Default Re: [$22] FD + Gutshot CRAI?

You're getting super good odds for drawing by just calling the flop (5.5:1). So I do that.
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