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Old 08-20-2006, 05:46 PM
spex x spex x is offline
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Default Is the villian brilliant or not? I can\'t decide.

So a few days ago this hand came up in a live $2/$5 NL game, and I'm not sure if he played great or terrible. The villian is a young pro that I haven't played with much. What I had seen of his play has led me to think that he is a solid player and I would generally try to avoid getting involved in heads up pots with him. Here I had about $1000 in chips and he had about $200 or so. He was on my immediate right, and limped in middle-late position. I raised to $20 with QQ and we saw the flop two-handed. The flop came K 7 7. He checked to me and I bet $40. He called. The turn was a blank. He moved in for $143. What do you do?

I couldn't see what he would have limped with that he would have hit on this flop. Would he limp and call with KQ or AK in late-middle position? I can't see how. And I couldn't put him on a 7 because what hand would he have played with a seven in it out of position in a heads up pot? That was my thinking at the time, and I'll give you the result later on.
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Old 08-21-2006, 01:19 AM
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Default Re: Is the villian brilliant or not? I can\'t decide.

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The villian is a young pro

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and limped in middle-late position.

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I raised to $20 with QQ and we saw the flop two-handed. The flop came K 7 7. He checked to me and I bet $40. He called. The turn was a blank. He moved in for $143. What do you do?

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If he is calling a $40 flop bet, you can be sure the other $140 is going into the pt here.

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I couldn't see what he would have limped with that he would have hit on this flop.

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Umm....You can start with either a K or a 7. Maybe he just has a medium pocket pair and figured it was less likely you hit this board.

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Would he limp and call with KQ or AK in late-middle position? I can't see how. And I couldn't put him on a 7 because what hand would he have played with a seven in it out of position in a heads up pot? That was my thinking at the time, and I'll give you the result later on.

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If he is an open limper from LP then I don't see how you can rule anything out here. Plus he may feel shortstacked and want to play a big pot, thus limping with a big hand instead of risking it getting folded around and him winning $7. Also this statement of you can't see him with a 7? That is the most ridiculous thing you wrote (and the reason I responded). 87s,97s,76s,T7s,75s,A7s/o,K7s,KJ,KT,K9s....All very possible holdings from a limper.

What exactly is your range for this guy if you rule out all of these obvious holdings? As for your action, barring any tell/read that you have gotten, I probably fold.
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Old 08-21-2006, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: Is the villian brilliant or not? I can\'t decide.

"live $2/$5 NL game"
"The villian is a young pro"
"he had about $200 or so"

this doesnt add up
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Old 08-21-2006, 01:40 AM
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Default Re: Is the villian brilliant or not? I can\'t decide.

yeah - why the heck would a young pro be only sitting w/ $200?
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Old 08-21-2006, 02:07 AM
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Default Re: Is the villian brilliant or not? I can\'t decide.

It's not unreasonable that somebody would plan on limp-reraising from late middle position then abort when only left with the raiser.

But his play doesn't make sense. The check then call on the flop followed by a push on the turn looks weakish to me. You raised pre-flop, its likely your going to continue to drive the pot on the turn, so why does he have to push when it looked likely you were going to put him all in anyway.

Seems like Mid pocket pair and just hoping you raised Pre-flop with something smaller. Could you throw the hand away here? Yes, you've only invested $60 in it. I might just for the opportunity to not let him double up through me.

I'm thinking TTs or AK.
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Old 08-21-2006, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: Is the villian brilliant or not? I can\'t decide.

Im thinking he has you beat and is trying to make you call with some weird line. Trips most likely.
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