PLO8 $25 Calling a big bet on the river with 2nd nut straight

[Turlock]

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.25 BB (9 handed)
SB ($12.40)
BB ($26.60)
UTG ($15)
UTG+1 ($14.75)
MP1 ($23.50)
MP2 ($27.70)
Hero ($22.90)
CO ($8.55)
Button ($23.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $0.75</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.

Turn: ($4.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.05</font>, SB calls $4.05, UTG calls $4.05, UTG+1 folds.

River: ($16.40) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $9.95 (All-In)</font>, Hero ????

Final Pot: $36.30

Can I call this bet? I'm new to the game,coming from Hold Em,and am slowly coming to terms with how important it is to have the nuts.
My thoughts at the time of this hand were that I was telling myself that as it was only a $25 game I have a reason to believe he doesn't have to have the nuts.

[Buzz]

[ QUOTE ]
Can I call this bet?

[/ QUOTE ]Turlock - Yes. UTG could possibly have QJXY, perhaps with a missed low draw and/or a missed diamond draw. But it's more likely he has ended up with the same jack-high straight as you, with a missed low draw and/or a missed diamond draw. And maybe he's not even that good.

Hard to imagine anyone stupid enough to be drawing specifically for a ten and playing QJXY without good diamonds or a good low. Didn't look like a QJTX sequence because of the lack of betting on the turn (would be a bad slow play but not impossible for QJTX).

At any rate, yes, I think you have to call. You're getting about 3 to 1 pot odds to call and I'd guess you usually win or at least split.

How important is the nuts? It depends on what nuts you're talking about, the sequence of common cards, and the action. In this particular case, the nuts is unlikely.

Buzz

[bbartlog]

I don't think I can find a fold here with these odds, but I think the odds that someone decided to chase to the river with KQ9J or the like, or play QTJx passively, are actually greater at a lower-limit game that at a bigger one.
Make this a full pot-sized bet and I probably fold, but at this price I look the guy up.

[MattS]

Calling the flop bet is not wrong but a better move will be a raise. There are a lot of turn cards (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, Q)that will improve your hand and let you fire a second barrel. Another advantage of a flop raise is that a gutshut draw 89 JQ will probably fold.

[Turlock]

I read an article last night saying it's almost never right to call a pot size bet on the flop or turn in PLO8,you either raise or fold,how true is this?

[bbartlog]

Sounds bogus to me. Especially as regards the turn. You often end up with some hand like nut low draw plus nut flush draw plus a gutshot to a nut straight or something, where you have pot equity around 40% (enough to call a PSB). If opponent bets pot, it's clearly incorrect to fold. On the other hand, raising may also be bad, especially if stacks are deep and opponent could 3-bet you.
I think on the flop it's probably closer to being true, especially in a tight game where you usually face only 1-2 villains. But in a loose game where action might be 'pot bet - call - call' to you, it will often make sense to call with some hand that you would either raise or fold in a a tighter game. For example I might call with second nut low draw plus nut flush draw in a four-handed situation like this, because my implied odds are nice - but I would never want to raise the hand, since my equity is terrible if for example I get called by nut low draw and a made high.

[I dunno]

[ QUOTE ]
I read an article last night saying it's almost never right to call a pot size bet on the flop or turn in PLO8,you either raise or fold,how true is this?

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Where is this?

[Turlock]

looks like wrong link

[BradleyT]

Um...is that link wrong?

[Turlock]

http://www.winningonlinepoker.com/

what did I type before?