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Gurravasa · #1 09-23-2007, 02:13 AM

if you open with QQ+ in co, a TAG on button 3-bet, both blinds fold. Do you cap or call?

rzk · #2 09-23-2007, 02:24 AM

cap, you are easily ahead of his 3-betting range.

QuietEarner · #3 09-23-2007, 02:42 AM

HU is it better to Call to disguise your hand? Giving him control and letting him do your betting. If not when is this a good idea.

Leader · #4 09-23-2007, 02:46 AM

I almost always call here. The deceptive value against thinking players has a lot of value. Of course you have to be willing to make that extra raise when he misreads your hand.

QuietEarner · #5 09-23-2007, 02:53 AM

when do you hit with the check raise on the turn or right from the start on the flop. Assuming Flop and turn are safe.

rzk · #6 09-23-2007, 02:54 AM

i would think it's better to disguise a hand like KK or AA where few or no overcards can hurt us. maybe that's wrong.

Leader · #7 09-23-2007, 03:25 AM

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when do you hit with the check raise on the turn or right from the start on the flop. Assuming Flop and turn are safe.

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Flop always. It's about what you're representing. Say you call QQ here and the flop is T54. You have to c/r there to represent a mid-T. Then he'll 3-bet with JJ/AT/KT/maybe less and you can either cap or c/r the turn/river depending on the guy.

If you call and c/r the turn, your facing two big problems. a) turn check through and b)your play looks like a big hand. You don't want him making any hero folds with tp or a mid-PP.

Leader · #8 09-23-2007, 03:27 AM

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i would think it's better to disguise a hand like KK or AA where few or no overcards can hurt us. maybe that's wrong.

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Notice that disguising your hand costs you nothing though if he'll bet every flop. If you just c/r every time, it's virtually the same as capping and leading every flop.

QuietEarner · #9 09-23-2007, 03:34 AM

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Flop always. It's about what you're representing. Say you call QQ here and the flop is T54. You have to c/r there to represent a mid-T. Then he'll 3-bet with JJ/AT/KT/maybe less and you can either cap or c/r the turn/river depending on the guy.

If you call and c/r the turn, your facing two big problems. a) turn check through and b)your play looks like a big hand. You don't want him making any hero folds with tp or a mid-PP.

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Thanks, think one of my leaks is c/r more on the turn than the flop. Good explanation of the reasoning also.

ParvelX · #10 09-23-2007, 04:15 AM

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Flop always. It's about what you're representing. Say you call QQ here and the flop is T54. You have to c/r there to represent a mid-T. Then he'll 3-bet with JJ/AT/KT/maybe less and you can either cap or c/r the turn/river depending on the guy.

If you call and c/r the turn, your facing two big problems. a) turn check through and b)your play looks like a big hand. You don't want him making any hero folds with tp or a mid-PP.

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If 3-betted on the flop and you just call, do you ever donk the turn? My guess is villain will either call down or raise and both option will give at least 2 more BBs plus no worries about a check through or a hero fold.