Very tricky hand

AshleyC · #1 06-11-2007, 06:32 PM

I think this is one of the trickiest spots I've been in that I can remember. Villan is 43/0/0.66 over 62 hands.

Comments on all streets appreciated. I'm not sure whether I should felt this on the flop, or find a fold on the turn? hmmm

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($23.65)
Hero ($52.85)
BB ($103.20)
UTG ($7)
MP ($50.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB raises to $6, UTG folds, Hero calls $4.50.

Turn: ($13) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $13.5, Hero calls $13.50.

River: ($40) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: $40

jessyj07 · #2 06-11-2007, 06:37 PM

I raise preflop despite the position against this guy. I reraise this flop as played though. As played I consider mucking the turn but don't. River is good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

HandHack1 · #3 06-11-2007, 06:38 PM

"I think this is one of the trickiest spots I've been in that I can remember. Villan is 43/0/0.66 over 62 hands."

Newbie question: what does this mean and are you using poker tracker to obtain this?

wulfpacker21 · #4 06-11-2007, 06:39 PM

raise preflop only hand that beats u is a j9 or 88 and the 88 is unlikey cause he prob would have raised preflop...

samwallistea · #5 06-11-2007, 06:39 PM

Raise preflop or fold, there is little to be gained giving the BB a free look at the flop, he could have any two cards in the hole.

Reraise the flop, you have 4 outs to improve whereas the guy, provided he has a piece of the draw heavy board, will have many ways to outdraw you.

You need to get value for your hand on the flop, if he doesn't improve he wont be paying you off, if he does improve you may well end up paying him off. Put another way, you stand to win the minimum and lose the maximum - not a situation you want to be in. (I'm about 80% sure this is call having high reverse implied odds)

Personally I think your ahead on the flop, personally I would try to get it allin there.

Ikaika · #6 06-11-2007, 06:41 PM

I think reraising OOP vs such a passive villain is terrible and is an easy way to value stack ourselves. You think he's raising with a draw when he is 40/0/0.6?

samwallistea · #7 06-11-2007, 06:42 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Newbie question: what does this mean and are you using poker tracker to obtain this?

[/ QUOTE ]
The three statistics mean %of $ voluntarily put into the pot/% of time he preflop raises/his total aggression factor
You get them off Pokertracker which imports hand histories and displays this information in your database.

jessyj07 · #8 06-11-2007, 06:44 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I think reraising OOP vs such a passive villain is terrible and is an easy way to value stack ourselves. You think he's raising with a draw when he is 40/0/0.6?

[/ QUOTE ]good thing it's not a reraise. nothing says you have to play a big pot with a one pair type hand. Learn to play.

Nick C · #9 06-11-2007, 06:46 PM

Well, if Villain has J9, he certainly isn't slowplaying it.

Probably I 3-bet the flop and take my chances, but the fact that Villain is so drastically abandoning his passive play of the past 62 hands would have me worried, I'll admit. I mean, if he had to have a straight, set, or two pair to do this, you'd actually be a dog. (Straights + sets are 21 combos, whereas Q8/T8 is only 15 combos.) Fortunately, though, it's entirely possible he just has a queen or maybe 8cXc or possibly even a hand like JT. And, also, one thing that does help you here is that only one straight is possible (if, for instance, the flop was QJT and three straights were possible, that would be 48 combos instead of 16).

In any case, once he checked the river behind, my fear of J9 would go away and I'd be expecting to win [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

sisyphus75 · #10 06-11-2007, 06:49 PM

First I'm confused as to how many players. becasue the pot is $1 on the Flop, I assume two players.

IF you are SB and first to act, raise always or Fold.

Preflop: Raise to $2 -$2.50 since you will be out of position.

Flop: cbet $4, if he goes over the top; you can fold since he is pretty passive and doesn't rr much, unless he has a hand.

Turn: villain calls the flop. ck and re-evaluate the turn. Since he is passive, if he leads you can assume he might have flopped the str8. If he cks, he may be chasing the flush.

River: c/f