The hardest spot in micro stakes poker? JJ from the SB

[Chomp]

I'm with derosnec and jonyy.

Villain has a pp or a big A, right? I think he bets his A/set almost always if checked to, and rarely bets non-A/set hands.

So I have no problem c/f flop. If villain checks flop behind, I then move into value-mode, which often means chk'ing again on turn, then vb river to get a call from 22+.

If I chk turn, I'll call a lot of bets (which costs the same as a cb, but might come from worse than JJ and gets me to SD).

And I don't care if I am showing weakness anywhere here - villain still needs to grow the balls to bet without the A. TAG villains will be fearing some kind of A slowplay all the way throughout the hand and won't go nuts without one IMO.

I should say that would be my instinct, but would play it differently on occasion.

[Gelford]

So chomp ... would you check AK here too ??

[matrix]

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if it's 50/50 that he'll fold than a full pot bet should be profitable so it's ok to bet 3/4 of the pot.


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er no - this is a RERAISED pot. imo betting more than 1/2 pot on any flop with ANY hand in a reraised pot is SPEW.

Look how big the pot will be if he calls a 3/4 pot bet relative to the stacks we are playing with.

What does a 3/4 pot bet accomplish that a half pot bet doesn't? - whether we flop an OP to the board a set or an underpair on an Ace high flop?

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The pot is big because of the pf 3bet so it's unlikely he'll bluff or continue with worse than JJ.

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So a 3/4 pot bet if we are planning to bet/fold wastes 1/4 of the pot worth of BB's - SPEW. Worse than that if villain flat calls our flop bet the pot is so big we have a tough decision to make if a brick Turns.

[Micro Donk]

if im villain and i get checked to, im going to bet a fair % of the time putting you on a JJ-KK hand

[Profish2285]

Yea so am I. Of course recently donks have owned me with a slow played top set when I do this, but hey Im sure it works sometimes. I never really thought about cold calling with JJ pre flop, but Matrix brings up some very interesting points. If villain is going to fold almost the entire part of his range that we want him to play, then why raise? I might try experimenting with this seeing how this works out.

[derosnec]

luckily for all of you, i have no life and have taken detailed notes on all of aba's vids

looking at the notes, revealed these hands he played (similar enough i think; at the very least we get to see what good players do)


BTN opens. Aba 3bets 77 in SB. JTx flop (two hearts). Aba cbets.

CO opens. Aba 3bets JJ OTB. CO checks. Aba cbets ATx flop (two diamonds). Get raised. Aba folds.

BTN opens (multitabler). Aba 3bets K7o in BB. Aba cbets Axx flop.

[el_grande]

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it is a RR's pot, betting 7$ is treatening villians entire stack!

The only reason for betting 9 is the FD and a need to protect your AK a wee bit.

But it is in no way weak.

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If I was villain a $7 bet on this board would make me think my QQ or Ax is good. I would also consider bluff raising. I see AK or AQ for hero unlikely after a $7 bet. It really looks like JJ-KK.

[Chomp]

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So chomp ... would you check AK here too ??

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Sometimes, yes. For value, control, and to deny villain equity on the flop.

But I underastand the point you are making - that we are telling villain we don't have AK when we check. But this is incorrect IMO. Decent TAG villains will not just assume this, and will often fear a crai/slowplay of some kind when we check.

I also think that any idea that we need to play our weaker hands like our stronger ones is wrong here.

Besides, why do we want to represent AK? To fold out QQ/KK? Good luck doing that with one little cbet.

[Gelford]

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Besides, why do we want to represent AK? To fold out QQ/KK? Good luck doing that with one little cbet.

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No ... it is to make him felt QQ/KK next time around when we actually have AK.

[Chomp]

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Besides, why do we want to represent AK? To fold out QQ/KK? Good luck doing that with one little cbet.

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No ... it is to make him felt QQ/KK next time around when we actually have AK.

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Gelford, with respect, will this villain remember this hand next time and happily felt his QQ/KK becuase he once saw us cb JJ on an A-hi board? Surely not. Surely not. Or at least, so rarely that it shouldn't effect our effort to maximise EV here and now.

Besides, if we bet and he folds, he doesn't know we didn't have AK, right?