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Old 07-12-2007, 12:08 AM
Kos13 Kos13 is offline
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Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players

UTG+1: $157.00
CO: $93.80
Hero (BTN): $99.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $3.50</font>, 4 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $12.00</font>, Hero folds

UTG+1 was your typical 26/7/1 donkey. CO was running ~14/2.5/1.25/325 overall and was playing much nittier than that tonight, so this seemed like a standard fold with QQ. My question is: if I had KK here instead, what should I do? Should I 4bet to $35 and fold to a CO shove? Does KK play a lot differently in this specific situation with the original raiser still left to act (ex. should I be 4betting more often because I don't want UTG+1 to cold call for a 3-way pot)?
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:32 AM
pureCra2z pureCra2z is offline
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Default Re: KK \"Theory\" Question

i call if only for set value. UTG+1 is likely to call the rr so you have pretty good odds + great implied odds. CO might be making a play.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: KK \"Theory\" Question

Good fold. Co has AA/KK and i don't think calling for set value is correct.
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:32 AM
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Default Re: KK \"Theory\" Question

I think I am folding here. The only thing that could make calling correct is if utg+1 cold calls behind you. Assuming he is a decent player we have to assume that he has a really good hand raising upfront like this. It is almost impossible to know weather he is going to 4 bet or call or fold so I think it is better to get out of the way here.
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default Re: KK \"Theory\" Question

i call with KK and i do not care if UTG+1 comes along for the ride
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Old 07-12-2007, 08:07 AM
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oh yea sorry I guess I was off of the question yes I call with kings also.
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Old 07-12-2007, 01:10 PM
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Default Re: KK \"Theory\" Question

So you guys that said call with KK OTB...what happens if UTG+1 raises/shoves? He's the dumb one, so he could be shoving with less than AA. Is my proposed line of 4betting to $35 and folding to a CO shove worse?
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