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Old 09-28-2007, 07:51 PM
tbaarslag tbaarslag is offline
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Default 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

Villain is very fishy: 50/2/1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed)

BB ($57.95)
Hero ($347.10)
MP ($296.50)
CO ($85.25)
Button ($95.20)
SB ($198.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($22) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $30</font>, BB folds, Hero...


We have two conflicting concepts:

1. Fold against raising passives
2. TP is the nuts for 50BB

Which one's more important?
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Old 09-28-2007, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

yes shove
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Old 09-28-2007, 07:56 PM
tbaarslag tbaarslag is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

But what do we beat, really, given his passivity?
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

Seems to me that all you're beating here is a/x of clubs, and you're hardly ahead of that. If he is a fish he could just be betting on a straight club draw though, which you're slightly more ahead of.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:18 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

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But what do we beat, really, given his passivity?

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He's really not that passive, he's retarded and it's only for 50bb. That combination means the push is very easy
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

ez shove
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

when you play 50% of hands preflop AF 1 isn't all that passive post.
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

An AF of 1 when you play that many hands isn't that passive.

And it's only 50BB's. Therefore the only correct play here is to shove.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:02 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

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He's really not that passive, he's retarded ...

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Well said. And lol.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:03 PM
tbaarslag tbaarslag is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - TP minraised by fish 50BB deep

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An AF of 1 when you play that many hands isn't that passive.

And it's only 50BB's. Therefore the only correct play here is to shove.

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Whether AF=1 is passive for this villain is a difficult subject. Here, for instance, his AF is almost equal to

Bet%/Call% ~= 20/20 = 1

which is very passive indeed.
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