25NL JJ with a 3bet from SB

[duke186]

I don't have this history but I remember the important stuff. THis is on Full Tilt.

Villain is like 22/20/13 over about 150 hands that I have on him, so he's solid for this level. Has not done anything out of line. I've been looseish, maybe 25/18 or something around that, and aggressive.

6max, 100bb effective, I pick up J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and I open to $.85

Villain 3 bets to $3.25 from the SB, I call.

Flop is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He checks, I bet $4 (about 2/3 pot).

He raises to $11, I shove.

4 bet preflop?
Check flop?
Fold to c/r?
Or do people like the shove?

I can see him 3 betting something like 77+ AJs+ AQo+ but i guess his range narrows after the c/r.

[duke186]

bump

[ajmargarine]

In my experience, this action is usually a pp bigger than JJ.

[Spurious]

i might consider 4bet AI preflop, since he's pretty loose and could be 3betting with a ton of hands. but he wouldnt call with hands you beat, so nevermind [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

flop bet seems fine
if his AF is 13, then call his flop bet.
call him down, i guess he could be bluffing.
13 AF is ridiculous.

I think shove is not necessary, maybe even wrong. I dont know what his calling range is, but i guess his calling range contains more hands that have you beat than ones you beat.

[Danastasio1]

If he sees you as loose, I really advocate a 4bet. You have to think his 3bet range, against you, is wide enough to make JJ a favorite vs Villain. Obviously the c/r greatly narrows his holdings to a few hands that dominate yours, so I fold on the flop, at these stakes with Villain's stats, I tend to buy what he's telling me, but 200NL not so sure. He's leading out on the flop with high cards AK/AQ more often than not. ^Mod says it best.

[Spurious]

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I tend to buy what he's telling me, but 200NL not so sure. ^Mod says it best.

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His stats say, that he's hyper-aggressive...

[Danastasio1]

Wow, thought that was a 3, thanks Spurious.

[Danastasio1]

In that case, always shove.

[Spurious]

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In that case, always shove.

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why shove? i think shoving sucks, because only better hands will call.
It's WA/WB, so calling down sounds good, imo.

[duke186]

i was very confused about his flop c/r. I always found that big hands lead when they are oop in a 3bet pot.

and why shove? because i still have fold equity, from AK type hands and air, calling down allows him to catch up, so i dont like it, either the flop is a fold or a shove i think.