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#12
11-19-2007, 12:06 AM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs No c/r with fd on this flop? bs No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards. Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy". Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold. [/ QUOTE ] in my experience, when good players take a b/s line, its a reverse psychology kind of thing. They realize that they are doing something that is confusing, but they want you to call down or raise with the exact hand we have. sure it could be a gutshot + turn flush draw, the only problem is, that hand has about 20 outs on us. Pot is small, we barely hit it, I'm folding here. 
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#13
11-19-2007, 06:36 AM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs No c/r with fd on this flop? bs No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards. Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy". Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold. [/ QUOTE ] where did you get the idea that villians play the same as you? maiby his normal line is to c/c draws and donk when he hits them
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#14
11-19-2007, 08:45 AM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
Would you guys fold J9? KJ? A2?
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#15
11-19-2007, 10:19 AM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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[ QUOTE ] I dont think folding here is that easy cuz his line is bs No c/r with fd on this flop? bs No c/r on flop with Ax? Maybe, but I lean towards bs This looks like Jx or 9x that dont wanna hand out free cards. Against a range of those hands and the possibility of picking up the pot on a spade river I dont think folding here is "easy". Not saying I call. But when people play bs lines you should at least think twice before you fold. [/ QUOTE ] where did you get the idea that villians play the same as you? maiby his normal line is to c/c draws and donk when he hits them [/ QUOTE ] a) nobody does that b) if he do Seth would know.
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#16
11-19-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
don't fold....
In general, this is a good line to take on boards where you want the the caller to catch something on the turn to pay you off. On a board this drawy/high you do not need to at all... So there's not too much merit in playing anything but a bluff like that. Plus if you have a draw, c/c the turn reveals a lot about your hand (gooddraw/pair)... Basically this is a fastplay flop, so a c/c, then donk to me on a 3 spade turn is suspicious not as a monster.. I think youll see a gutshot + spade draw here a very high % of the time. Fold river if board sraightens or spades.. I think the only hand id play like this is J4s and a gutshot with a spade draw.
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#17
11-19-2007, 05:12 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
probably a multitable error... agree with hip - you lose; pot too small to draw
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#18
11-19-2007, 07:51 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
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probably a multitable error... agree with hip - you lose; pot too small to draw [/ QUOTE ] Well, what did you have then?
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#19
11-19-2007, 08:20 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
Ok, so I guess it was me, didnt want to be presumptuous that I'm 'tough'.
Anyway, I vaguely remember a hand or two where I forgot the preflop/flop action and I probably had Ax, but I will check later. Its also somewhat possible that I chose to c/c a flush draw and I'm going for a b/3b. I played like 9k hands over the weekend so everything is kind of a blur.
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#20
11-19-2007, 09:52 PM
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Re: tough 2p2 donks turn scare card
mystery solved, yawn
POKERSTARS GAME #13308440252: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($10/$20) - 2007/11/17 - 23:40:01 (ET) Table 'Crocus III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 2: Dunpeal28 ($585 in chips) Seat 4: Tryptamean ($1161 in chips) Seat 5: sethypooh21 ($820 in chips) Seat 6: dukenuka ($240.50 in chips) luckyfen will be allowed to play after the button Dunpeal28: posts small blind $5 boc4life: is sitting out Tryptamean: posts big blind $10 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Tryptamean [Ad 6h] sethypooh21: raises $10 to $20 dukenuka: folds Dunpeal28: folds Tryptamean: calls $10 *** FLOP *** [9s Jd As] boc4life leaves the table Tryptamean: checks sethypooh21: bets $10 Tryptamean: calls $10 *** TURN *** [9s Jd As] [4s] Tryptamean: bets $20 sethypooh21 said, "hrmm" TheVitruvian joins the table at seat #3 TheVitruvian is sitting out sethypooh21 has timed out sethypooh21: folds sethypooh21 is sitting out sethypooh21 has returned Tryptamean collected $63 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $65 | Rake $2 Board [9s Jd As 4s] Seat 2: Dunpeal28 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: Tryptamean (big blind) collected ($63) Seat 5: sethypooh21 folded on the Turn Seat 6: dukenuka (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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