Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Limit Texas Hold'em > Mid-High Stakes Shorthanded

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-28-2007, 07:03 PM
hoppscot22 hoppscot22 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: blogging
Posts: 1,041
Default Not looking good but the pot is huge

Full Tilt Poker $15/$30 Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls.

Flop: (7.00 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

River: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP caps!</font>, Hero ...

So now the pot is huge, im getting like 12-1... firstly

river three bet.. good bad? seems kinda standard to me but there are arguments for not doing it.

call or fold now?

villain is ontilt34... i dont really have any reads on him, seems semi competent though
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-28-2007, 07:29 PM
gehrig gehrig is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: CHICAGO
Posts: 3,950
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

u can only call here if villain is a huge tard who could be really excited about his aq or kk. nobody is ever bluffing here.

its ok to fold hands
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-28-2007, 07:33 PM
DeathDonkey DeathDonkey is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: DeucesCracked - Serious Game
Posts: 6,426
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

Call because he isn't representing anything that beats you. If he shows QJ, QQ, A5, 56 I figure I would have lost the same if he played it better so its ok to pay off [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-28-2007, 08:10 PM
korrupt106 korrupt106 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 21
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

This looks like QJ. I don't think you're ever going to see QQ here, because if he gets 3bet with QQ and just calls down on J hi flops he's el terible. This could be a terribly played JJ. Either way you look at it, his only realistic hand that beats you is QJ, and this can be AQ enough of the time that you can pay off. If he has a hand other than QJ that beats you, then he played it terribly, and terrible players deserve a little extra action because they are $$ in screenname form.

I know it's annoying not to get in more bets with a big hand like AA, but I'm not 3betting this river in most games and if I get shown a hand I'm beating I adjust my play for the future. I don't like putting in excessive action against unknowns and I think that's what the river 3bet is. Hope this is somewhat helpful.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-28-2007, 09:51 PM
Keepitsimple Keepitsimple is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Göteborg
Posts: 3,368
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

How unusual is it to not raise on the flop or the turn with TP given preflop action?

It certainly looks like AQ before he caps.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-29-2007, 12:39 AM
MitchL MitchL is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1,712
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

You played it well. Never fold.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-29-2007, 12:47 AM
mtgordon mtgordon is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 723
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

I only raise this river if I can fold to a cap. I cannot fold to a cap (although it's probably correct) in this situation so I just call the river raise.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-29-2007, 01:07 AM
HOWMANY HOWMANY is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,322
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

ive never won in this spot. up until a couple months ago i would also say ive never folded either but i have folded a couple times now. not to say that i would do it here but its probably correct.

fwiw im guessing he had QJ and was going to raise you on the river no matter what and pay off your 3bet. unfortunately the Q came.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-29-2007, 01:09 AM
hoppscot22 hoppscot22 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: blogging
Posts: 1,041
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

The thing that troubles me most about this entire pot is that his hand makes absolutely ZERO sense. WTF is he repping? QQ? so hard to believe...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-29-2007, 01:11 AM
HOWMANY HOWMANY is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,322
Default Re: Not looking good but the pot is huge

ya the problem is when was the last time a seemingly competent (more specifically, someone that we have not clearly identified as retarded) person capped the river with something worse than our hand in this spot?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.