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Old 11-28-2007, 04:05 PM
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CT,

"If he was watching his neighbor getting raped, voluntarily "entering a potentially life-threatening situation" would have been perfectly justified."

Of course, I don't see why you think anyone here would disagree.

"'It's not worth somebody getting killed over, we're almost there' might have played better."

He said that as well:
"Don't go outside"
"They're getting away!"
"That's alright. Property's not worth killing someone over"
"They got a bag of loot!"
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:05 PM
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Well this is way out of line imo, sure they are burglars etc but taking 2 lives because of this? nah sorry you'll never get me to accept taking lives so easily. But maybe I've been raised different then you people.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:05 PM
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I'm confused... Were the robbers armed?

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Robbers by definition are armed. Otherwise they are burglars.

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But newspapers often use the terms interchangeably, or use "theives."
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:11 PM
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I think this guy will get off because no jury will want to convict him.

I also think he is a murderer. He says "I'm not going to let them get away with this" then just before he goes out he says "They're not getting away with this" then goes outside says "move you're dead" then BANG BANG. He went out there looking for an excuse to administer vigilante justice.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: Man kills 2 People While 911 Is Telling Him Not To

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CT,

"If he was watching his neighbor getting raped, voluntarily "entering a potentially life-threatening situation" would have been perfectly justified."

Of course, I don't see why you think anyone here would disagree.

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I was responding to the absudity of blaming somebody for entering "a potentially dangerous situation."
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"'It's not worth somebody getting killed over, we're almost there' might have played better."

He said that as well:
"Don't go outside"
"They're getting away!"
"That's alright. Property's not worth killing someone over"
"They got a bag of loot!"

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I know, I just thought appealing to the guy's sense of self-preservation was likely to generate the opposite response.

All,

I don't think some people are considering that "I am going to go and stop them by threatening them with my shotgun" is NOT (edit, sorry) the same thing as "I am going to go outside and kill those guys." He could easily have been just planning to detain them, and was prepared to shoot them if they did something nutty like rushing him.

It's not a matter of "I'm going to kill them to save my neighbor's stereo," so much as "I'm not going to just sit here and let them rob my neighbor."
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:23 PM
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All,

I don't think some people are considering that "I am going to go and stop them by threatening them with my shotgun" is NOT (edit, sorry) the same thing as "I am going to go outside and kill those guys." He could easily have been just planning to detain them, and was prepared to shoot them if they did something nutty like rushing him.

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No, they aren't quite the same thing. But isn't detaining people with armed force like that illegal in a lot of states, too? We can debate whether or not it should be, and that might be an interesting subject. I think it's probably not a good idea to make that generally accepted practice because it is a very small step from there to situations like this one.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:29 PM
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Diablo - If the guy shot for the sole purpose of not letting the criminals get away then I would not consider him a hero.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:36 PM
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First time listened to just the ABC News report of the incident on Youtube. Was pretty conflicted.

Second time listened to the whole 911 call and came away thoroughly disgusted at the man's actions.

It seemed to me that he was justifying his shooting in advance.
"The laws changed since September 1st.." etc.
"I don't really know these neighbors."
...I Have the right to protect myself"
"A Shotgun is a legal weapon"

Only the man knows what action he planned to take, assuming he had one, when he left the house. But listening to the tape it sure seems like he was bent on shooting the burglars, not just detaining them.

That is the force wasn't a last resort to protect himself but rather a manifestation of his anger at the slowness of the police response/criminals will get away mentality.

Thought the operator did a great job of trying to calm him down and keep him from leaving the house.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:40 PM
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WOW. I don't see how this guy shouldn't be locked up. It sounds like he walked outside just long enough to gun them down then come back inside. You can't send the message that this kind of vigilante justice is OK.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:48 PM
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Why not like, shoot em in the feet or something?

Then they can't get away before the cops get there, and you dont gotta worry about murder.
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