Tilt 6-max $109, Basic PF spot vs. Rizen

[mikeJ]

Rizen gets seated @ my table, I say hello and ask him not to take too many of my chips. Within that orbit, he opens the button, I fold the bb.

Very next orbit he opens the button again and I have A4s.

Full Tilt Poker Game #3069525626: $30,000 Guarantee (22248209), Table 20 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:15:56 ET - 2007/07/27
Seat 1: harryplug (6,684)
Seat 2: yoren8 (26,630)
Seat 3: imweidhorn (9,325), is sitting out
Seat 4: KwaziWabbit (7,290)
Seat 5: harmony52 (15,830)
Seat 6: Rizen (10,947)
harryplug antes 25
yoren8 antes 25
imweidhorn antes 25
KwaziWabbit antes 25
harmony52 antes 25
Rizen antes 25
harryplug posts the small blind of 120
yoren8 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yoren8 [4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
imweidhorn folds
KwaziWabbit folds
harmony52 folds
Rizen raises to 720
harryplug folds
yoren8 ?

I think people can make reasonable arguments for all 3 options.

[nath]

Well, when I don't particularly like any option, I try to choose the low-risk, high-reward one. For some people that means fold, for me it means "call and play poker".

[shaundeeb]

I like 3betting to 2k here.

[NoahSD]

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I like 3betting to 2k here.

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Yeah.

[mikeJ]

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I like 3betting to 2k here.

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Yeah.

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Can you elaborate why you prefer to 3-bet?

[NoahSD]

Sorry.

I assume Rizen's range is pretty wide here, so I assumme he's folding a lot to a 3-bet. That's a huge argument in itself obviously.

The major problem with 3-betting is we set up stacks nicely for a 4-bet shove, but given your description of your history, I don't think he'll be 4-betting incredibly lightly, since he can't really be sure if your 3-betting range is loosish here (hands like A4s) or really tight like it is for many TAGs in this spot. People tend to err on the tight side when they're considering making a biggish move with limited info.

Disclaimer: Never played with Rizen, and barely play MTTs anymore.

[shaundeeb]

rizen does not know who we are but we know who he is therefore we can 3bet very light and not expect him to 4bang that often even thought stack sizes are good. Also we will have a good enough hand to either just open shove for like 1.5x pot if we have a wheeldraw pair of 4s or flushdraw or c/shove with our hand on Ax and stronger boards.

[ASPoker8]

I'd 3bet to ~2300 or so.

3bet > call >>>>>> fold

[mikeJ]

Thanks for input, nath, noah and deeb.

I am a wuss. I folded.

Next orbit he opened again, I made it 2400, he folded.

Edit: I did not see your comment, ASPoker8. Thx, as well.

[nath]

a 4 bet is fine assuming rizen doesn't go all "i'm keith hernandez" on you and call or shove, which is pretty much always what i would do