Really ugly spot with JJ preflop

aislephive · #1 03-02-2007, 02:00 AM

How is this? Villain is 29/15 and pretty straightforward. Note he has 50bbs to start the hand.

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saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($199.85)
BB ($447.87)
UTG ($96.92)
MP ($227)
Button ($302.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG raises to $8, MP calls $8, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to $28, 1 fold, UTG raises to $75, MP folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $114

TNUC · #2 03-02-2007, 02:08 AM

push, win coinflip (or hit two outer), profit.

orange · #3 03-02-2007, 02:19 AM

fold. i would also call pf alot given stacks/player. i typically wont rr JJ pf against an utg raise unless he sucks.

Ralph Wiggum · #4 03-02-2007, 02:25 AM

push

FGators · #5 03-02-2007, 03:19 AM

push is pure spew...there is like 1 hand you beat. Fold please.

ikestoys · #6 03-02-2007, 03:40 AM

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push is pure spew...there is like 1 hand you beat. Fold please.

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and not even by much... fold.

i have pushed if i've been ridiculously 3-betting this guy, but I'd need a damn good read.

ajmargarine · #7 03-02-2007, 03:44 AM

I pretty much felt JJ every time pf in this spot vs a shortie, unless he's one of the few "smart" shorties. Or he's short because he just lost 50 bb's last hand.

DJ Sensei · #8 03-02-2007, 06:34 AM

dont 3-bet JJ here if you dont plan to stack off against UTG.

wrschultz · #9 03-02-2007, 06:48 AM

If you 3bet here (which i would) not felting with JJ is awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwful.

2Paul2 · #10 03-02-2007, 07:16 AM

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If you 3bet here (which i would) not felting with JJ is awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwful.

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Your getting ~2.5-1 on a push.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.810% 63.60% 00.21% 222162504 731868.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 36.190% 35.98% 00.21% 125683776 731868.00 { JJ }

Add in the occasional air/some lower pairs/AQ/AJs, all stuff you will see from time to time v random shortys and it's a pretty +ev shove.

Paul