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12-01-2007, 03:16 PM
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Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There seem to be a lot of people in this forum who believe that if we just leave the Muslim world alone they'll stop attacking us. [/ QUOTE ] What we actually believe [/ QUOTE ] Who is "we"? [/ QUOTE ] The people who want to stop aggressing on the Muslim world. 
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12-01-2007, 03:32 PM
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Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There seem to be a lot of people in this forum who believe that if we just leave the Muslim world alone they'll stop attacking us. [/ QUOTE ] What we actually believe [/ QUOTE ] Who is "we"? [/ QUOTE ] The people who want to stop aggressing on the Muslim world. [/ QUOTE ] The day after 9/11/01, 90% of the world was behind the U.S. Iranian leaders were the first to publicly denounce the attack and offer any support they could. The people marched in the streets of Iran in support of the U.S.A. Bush blundered away a perfect opportunity to unite the world. Now we are hated more than ever in our history.
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12-01-2007, 03:39 PM
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Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There seem to be a lot of people in this forum who believe that if we just leave the Muslim world alone they'll stop attacking us. [/ QUOTE ] What we actually believe [/ QUOTE ] Who is "we"? [/ QUOTE ] The people who want to stop aggressing on the Muslim world. [/ QUOTE ] The day after 9/11/01, 90% of the world was behind the U.S. Iranian leaders were the first to publicly denounce the attack and offer any support they could. The people marched in the streets of Iran in support of the U.S.A. Bush blundered away a perfect opportunity to unite the world. Now we are hated more than ever in our history. [/ QUOTE ] This was not a blunder. This was design. Joseph Schumpeter, writing of Rome: [ QUOTE ] Here is the classic example of that kind of insincerity in both foreign and domestic affairs which permeates not only avowed motives but also probably the conscious motives of the actors themselves—of that policy which pretends to aspire to peace but unerringly generates war, the policy of continual preparation for war, the policy of meddlesome interventionism. <font color="white"> </font> There was no corner of the known world where some interest was not alleged to be in danger or under actual attack. If the interests were not Roman, they were those of Rome’s allies; and if Rome had no allies, then allies would be invented. When it was utterly impossible to contrive such an interest—why, then it was the national honor that had been insulted. <font color="white"> </font> The fight was always invested with an aura of legality. Rome was always being attacked by evil-minded neighbors, always fighting for a breathing space. The whole world was pervaded by a host of enemies, and it was manifestly Rome’s duty to guard against their indubitably aggressive designs. They were enemies who only waited to fall on the Roman people. [/ QUOTE ]
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12-01-2007, 03:40 PM
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Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There seem to be a lot of people in this forum who believe that if we just leave the Muslim world alone they'll stop attacking us. [/ QUOTE ] What we actually believe [/ QUOTE ] Who is "we"? [/ QUOTE ] The people who want to stop aggressing on the Muslim world. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't just about everyone want to stop agressing on the Muslim world, as you say? Whether they agree with pre-emptive measures or not? The people who do not have a problem with striking first, find the risk that comes from doing nothing unacceptable. I also see why people think pre-emptive action is the wrong choice. But the reality is the reality. Do you drive a vehicle with an internal combustion engine? Do you fly? Does the U.S. have strategic interest in having it's presence felt in foreign lands? Would it bother you if you lost an American city by using a passive approach? Or just another 3 thousand. Or 50 thousand. Where is the risk accpetable?
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12-01-2007, 04:25 PM
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Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There seem to be a lot of people in this forum who believe that if we just leave the Muslim world alone they'll stop attacking us. [/ QUOTE ] What we actually believe [/ QUOTE ] Who is "we"? [/ QUOTE ] The people who want to stop aggressing on the Muslim world. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't just about everyone want to stop agressing on the Muslim world, as you say? [/ QUOTE ] Obviously not. [ QUOTE ] But the reality is the reality. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and those who support this crap are failing to see the reality that they're being tricked into it solely for the purpose of giving government more power. [ QUOTE ] Do you drive a vehicle with an internal combustion engine? Do you fly? [/ QUOTE ] Irrelevant. [ QUOTE ] Does the U.S. have strategic interest in conquering the entire world? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Would it bother you if you lost the Moon!!!!!! by using a passive approach? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Where is the risk accpetable? [/ QUOTE ] It's very, very simple. Stop aggressing on them as we have been doing for the last 50+ years and actually make an attempt to see if peace is possible. The most likely explanation for their behavior by far is that they're pissed off about what we're doing to their countries. Pull out, let them know we're serious about pulling out and then see how they respond. If at that point they attack us again, then there will be some justification for military action. Until that happens though, we're just conquering foreign nations and imposing our will on them. If you're so keen on attacking people, why not attack Canada? What if they launch a terrorist attack on us next week that kills 10 million?!?!?! As our neighbors, they're a much bigger risk, so we better get them before they have a chance!!!
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12-01-2007, 05:07 PM
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Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There seem to be a lot of people in this forum who believe that if we just leave the Muslim world alone they'll stop attacking us. [/ QUOTE ] What we actually believe [/ QUOTE ] Who is "we"? [/ QUOTE ] The people who want to stop aggressing on the Muslim world. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't just about everyone want to stop agressing on the Muslim world, as you say? [/ QUOTE ] Obviously not. [ QUOTE ] But the reality is the reality. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and those who support this crap are failing to see the reality that they're being tricked into it solely for the purpose of giving government more power. [ QUOTE ] Do you drive a vehicle with an internal combustion engine? Do you fly? [/ QUOTE ] Irrelevant. [ QUOTE ] Does the U.S. have strategic interest in conquering the entire world? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Would it bother you if you lost the Moon!!!!!! by using a passive approach? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Where is the risk accpetable? [/ QUOTE ] It's very, very simple. Stop aggressing on them as we have been doing for the last 50+ years and actually make an attempt to see if peace is possible. The most likely explanation for their behavior by far is that they're pissed off about what we're doing to their countries. Pull out, let them know we're serious about pulling out and then see how they respond. If at that point they attack us again, then there will be some justification for military action. Until that happens though, we're just conquering foreign nations and imposing our will on them. If you're so keen on attacking people, why not attack Canada? What if they launch a terrorist attack on us next week that kills 10 million?!?!?! As our neighbors, they're a much bigger risk, so we better get them before they have a chance!!! [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">reading your answer above has provided me another 2 or 3 hrs of life recaptured, to watch paint dry or some other more enlightening activity, every week, rather than spending any more time in his useless forum. <font color="blue">for that, i thank you for giving me the clarity to finally see the retardation that lives here... </font> i leave with this gem as a memorial to my new found freedom:</font> [ QUOTE ] Do you drive a vehicle with an internal combustion engine? Do you fly? Irrelevant. [/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue"> </font>
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12-01-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism
What a compelling and convincing response. It's always fun to meet people who aren't interested in actually thinking about their political views. Anyway...
You're welcome! See ya! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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12-02-2007, 02:09 AM
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Re: Perfect example of why we need to actively fight Islamo-facism
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Would it bother you if you lost an American city by using a passive approach? Or just another 3 thousand. Or 50 thousand. Where is the risk accpetable? [/ QUOTE ] Who has the capability to nuke a U.S. city AND willing to do it? It sounds to me like you're buying into all this neo-con propaganda. Terrorists cannot get a nuclear weapon inside a country whose borders and ports are secure. The only one able to get dangerous items into the U.S. is China that we know of. How do you suggest we cure the problem of them importing dangerous goods? Do you suggest we attack them also? Of course not. There is this Neo-Con philosophy that if we don't take the war to the terrorists, by invading countries where we think that they may be, then they'll bring the war to America. How could they do that if we had spent the 750 billion dollars on securing our borders and ports instead of the war?
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