Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

[LateNiteRush]

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I guess I'm losing faith in the human race, or maybe I'm just naive... It is sounding more and more like she is guilty. I honestly believed in the beginning she was innocent. I wanted to believe it was all a big mistake, and that she would be getting her money back and everything would be fine. From now on, I am just going to wait until the forum can get as many facts as we can before I pass judgment. Anyway, I just had to vent, that's all.

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Online poker rooms face a constant onslaught from criminals. Colluders, credit card thieves, botters, hackers, extortionists, money launderers, spammers, and confidence men. They attack the rooms, they attack the money transfer sites, and they attack the players.

Whatever else we may think about security at FTP and other poker rooms, we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking they have an easy job. It's a very hard world out there.

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Stellarwind I agree that security at poker sites have a very difficult job. I'm sure they see a lot of stuff behind the scenes that we don't even know about. Kudos to them for doing a good job when they catch a bot.

[KurtSF]

Given the number of hands involved in the comparison Mike H posted, it seems to me the stats diverge quite a bit. I don't see any evidence of botting there.

Has anyone who's seen the rest of the evidence posted an opinion yet?

[BurnleyMik]

Nothing yet as far as I am aware. I think they are trying to resolve this privately now. Would be nice to get an update though.

All these guys saying that due to the current evidence it looks as though sal is guilty are jumping the gun IMO. We have seen a tiny amount of information, how can you judge upon that? I certainly can't, I will wait until more comes to light before I make my judgement.

[LateNiteRush]

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Nothing yet as far as I am aware. I think they are trying to resolve this privately now. Would be nice to get an update though.

All these guys saying that due to the current evidence it looks as though sal is guilty are jumping the gun IMO. We have seen a tiny amount of information, how can you judge upon that? I certainly can't, I will wait until more comes to light before I make my judgement.

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I am not saying sillysal is guilty, I'm not saying she's innocent. I am just saying FTP has evidence that they are hiding from the public, for security reasons. We obviously won't get to see all of the evidence so how can we (the public) make a fair judgment.

[BurnleyMik]

I know you have not made a judgement, but it does seem as though quite a few people already have. I agree we will probably never know, but it is fair to say FT have made mistakes before.....

[Chips Ahoy]

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I know you have not made a judgement, but it does seem as though quite a few people already have. I agree we will probably never know, but it is fair to say FT have made mistakes before.....

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How can you not be certain? Let's review the facts:

1. Sal came under investigation for having stats similar to a CONVICTED BOT!

2. Further investigation showed Sal's stats were in fact similar to the CONVICTED BOT!

Therefore, Sal must be a bot.

Thankfully, the information released didn't confuse the issue with any of that statistical jargon like standard deviations or what not. That kind of talk bores me to tears.

In an unrelated note, I tried to compare my own stats to Sal's. Our preflop raise from the button was within 1%. I'll stick to Stars.

[sparky3474]

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Nothing yet as far as I am aware. I think they are trying to resolve this privately now. Would be nice to get an update though.

All these guys saying that due to the current evidence it looks as though sal is guilty are jumping the gun IMO. We have seen a tiny amount of information, how can you judge upon that? I certainly can't, I will wait until more comes to light before I make my judgement.

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I am not saying sillysal is guilty, I'm not saying she's innocent. I am just saying FTP has evidence that they are hiding from the public, for security reasons. We obviously won't get to see all of the evidence so how can we (the public) make a fair judgment.

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In over 170k hands they never said anything, what makes you believe they really have some other methods of detection, didn't Crazy Mike tip them? The PLAYERS ARE POLICE-ING THE SITE. So when they get tipped the freeze her and then go investigate, the investigation should have been first, not last.

[El_Hombre_Grande]

Soooo..........the only reason they caught this bot was that there were multiple bots, and the creator(s) didn't alter the parameters at all?

I'm starting to think the secrecy is actually just a cover up for complete incompetence. In other words, if they had to tell us their top secret methods for Bot detection , we would be underwhelmed. Like the Wizard of Oz.

[BurnleyMik]

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I know you have not made a judgement, but it does seem as though quite a few people already have. I agree we will probably never know, but it is fair to say FT have made mistakes before.....

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How can you not be certain? Let's review the facts:

1. Sal came under investigation for having stats similar to a CONVICTED BOT!

2. Further investigation showed Sal's stats were in fact similar to the CONVICTED BOT!

Therefore, Sal must be a bot.

Thankfully, the information released didn't confuse the issue with any of that statistical jargon like standard deviations or what not. That kind of talk bores me to tears.

In an unrelated note, I tried to compare my own stats to Sal's. Our preflop raise from the button was within 1%. I'll stick to Stars.

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LOL

Although I cannot be sure, I would think a lot of the HU High Stakes players have similar stats, there must be more evidence to convict someone than this.... surely???

[Jere Tristan]

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There are many players who use multiple accounts to play, either through family or friends. What point are you trying to make her accusing OP of having multiple accounts?

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You do realize this is bad and unethical, don't you?