iron81 - banning Stu Pidasso

NT! · #1 11-16-2006, 10:43 AM

dude, weak sauce. he made a thread trying to discuss the issue, i'll be the first to say his ideas are ludicrously bad but he was discussing it in good faith and attempted to make a logical, high-content thread. it's actually generated some good replies.

link to thread

your whole stated policy about discrimination basically seems to be, 'i'll acknowledge that mason really doesn't like us to be mean to certain groups, and now i guess i'll stop people from being mean to other ones too.' i read that post the other day and was like, wtf, but i didn't have time to respond to it.

MEbenhoe · #2 11-16-2006, 10:49 AM

i think its interesting that you have a post in which you lay out that some forms of hate = harsh punishment and other forms = oh well.

NT! · #3 11-16-2006, 10:50 AM

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i think its interesting that you have a post in which you lay out that some forms of hate = harsh punishment and other forms = oh well.

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exactly

iron81 · #4 11-16-2006, 10:54 AM

I gave him another day for a different thread where he admitted he was trolling.

As for your beef, it is true that in his mind he was trying to debate the issue. But when his opinion amounts to homophobia he's gettin the hammer. Personally, I probably would have let it go a few days ago. But if Mason wants to stamp out hatred, that thread is a great place to start. His arguments are the exact arguments I hear coming from drooling bigots and I'm not going to allow it. Its not like I'm coming out of left field here, 3 or 4 people in that thread called it for what it is: bigotry. For those of you not caught up on this, I'm reacting to Mason's post which resulted in my interpretation.

As for treating different forms of hatred differently, we all do it. Calling someone a n i g g e r would get anyone banned anywhere, but we call women s l u t s and bitches all the time. In the thread that MEBenhoe is referring to, there is a post by Mickey Brauch on that topic that I think makes a lot of sense.

vulturesrow · #5 11-16-2006, 10:55 AM

Let me just say that Im completely against this banning. Stu was responding to a question that was asked of him in another thread. He was completely polite, didnt post anything I would really term "hateful", and didnt respond in kind when attacked by other posters. However, its not my style to undo the banning of my co-moderator and I am not going to make any comments on it outside of this forum. But I am in vehement disagreement.

VR

NT! · #6 11-16-2006, 11:01 AM

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But when his opinion amounts to homophobia he's gettin the hammer. Personally, I probably would have let it go a few days ago. But if Mason wants to stamp out hatred, that thread is a great place to start. His arguments are the exact arguments I hear coming from drooling bigots and I'm not going to allow it.

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So you're punishing someone for having an opinion that you deem to be inappropriate. Careful. Do you want vulturesrow to start punishing people who he deems 'hateful' towards the military? What about people who obviously hate other groups for irrational reasons - Democrats, Republicans, anarchists... I see a lot of hate towards the state in their threads, better ban them too!

In all honesty I saw very little hate in Stu's post, as much as I disagreed with it. He obviously is uncomfortable with homosexuals but he didn't say anything about them being bad people, or less competent in their jobs, or destroying society or anything like that.

This is a really terrible ban and I'm surprised it hasn't blown up in your face yet.

vulturesrow · #7 11-16-2006, 11:08 AM

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But when his opinion amounts to homophobia he's gettin the hammer. Personally, I probably would have let it go a few days ago. But if Mason wants to stamp out hatred, that thread is a great place to start. His arguments are the exact arguments I hear coming from drooling bigots and I'm not going to allow it.

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So you're punishing someone for having an opinion that you deem to be inappropriate. Careful. Do you want vulturesrow to start punishing people who he deems 'hateful' towards the military? What about people who obviously hate other groups for irrational reasons - Democrats, Republicans, anarchists... I see a lot of hate towards the state in their threads, better ban them too!

In all honesty I saw very little hate in Stu's post, as much as I disagreed with it. He obviously is uncomfortable with homosexuals but he didn't say anything about them being bad people, or less competent in their jobs, or destroying society or anything like that.

This is a really terrible ban and I'm surprised it hasn't blown up in your face yet.

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In fact Stu made a comment something to the effect, "I've found homosexuals to be completely equal coworkers and friends". Im just hoping that this is some 10th level commentary on Mason's policies regarding hateful posts about Israel.

iron81 · #8 11-16-2006, 11:15 AM

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So you're punishing someone for having an opinion that you deem to be inappropriate.

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Yes, I am.

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Careful. Do you want vulturesrow to start punishing people who he deems 'hateful' towards the military? What about people who obviously hate other groups for irrational reasons - Democrats, Republicans, anarchists... I see a lot of hate towards the state in their threads, better ban them too!

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None of those groups are likely to be the targets of hate crimes. None of those groups need to live their lives in shame. None of those groups are subject to discrimination and hatred, just disagreement.

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In all honesty I saw very little hate in Stu's post, as much as I disagreed with it. He obviously is uncomfortable with homosexuals but he didn't say anything about them being bad people, or less competent in their jobs, or destroying society or anything like that.

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According to Mason, the standard is not merely "No hate". The standard is posts that promote hatred, even when they are not hateful in and of themselves. I double checked this with Ryan. Cyrus got banned for being way more subtle than Stu.

BTW, this is not 10th level commentary on Mason. This is 1st level implementation of Mason. For anyone who has a problem with this, I encourage you to substitue equivalent arguments for blacks or Jews and see how you feel.

NT! · #9 11-16-2006, 11:18 AM

so basically, it's ok to promote hate and spew bile and filth at someone so long as they are in a position of power or the majority?

vulturesrow · #10 11-16-2006, 11:24 AM

Well if the standard is "posts that promote hate" then NT's argument is completely valid and you might as well start doing a lot of banning and thread locking.