50nl - AK very deep

[mackthefork]

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Honestly against that guy you describe I can't think of a single valid reason for folding that hand, with that aggression he's gonna go wild with other aces, and even PPs that didn't connect, I definitely call the turn anyways.

Mack

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.77 OP said??

Edit: Errr ok, i dunno how PAHUD gets .77 from 3/3/infinate(Can someone explain?????? wtf?).

So if he's very aggro, then by all means call the flop and turn.

Gee why the hell has PAHUD given .77? Typo by OP?

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Yeah you edited in time I was just gonna quote this from OP

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his AF by street is 3/3/infinite.


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Mack

[mackthefork]

Oh i never include pre in that number but i guess you gave the postflop numbers.

I'm calling him down anyway, probably half pot if the spade comes too.

Mack

[CruS]

I obviously missed something, I thought he was NOT aggressive?

@ Mack, ok, I can see what you mean. perhaps I'm weak in this situation. *considering*

[mackthefork]

Well for one he plays too many hands, and he limps and cold calls far too much, I'm prepared to stake at least 80 bucks on my AK here against someone this aggressive that he's limped with an ace and thinks he's got the nuts, someone who limps that much limps every single Axs and a lot of crappy aces as well as a good few 8s, there's no telling that he has a reasoned preflop strategy with this many holes in his game already.

Mack

[Brian O'Nolan]

Given stack sizes I think your line is fine. My guess is he mostly has an 8 here. AQ/AJ are certainly in his range as are FDs... there are plenty of bad players with these stats who only raise pf with 54s or something. Are you folding the flop with 100BB stacks?

[CruS]

I agree, I reread the thread now I saw you talking about the .77 AF. Missed that completely.

Do you still do this if he has this low AF?

[whyzze]

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Given stack sizes I think your line is fine. My guess is he mostly has an 8 here. AQ/AJ are certainly in his range as are FDs... there are plenty of bad players with these stats who only raise pf with 54s or something. Are you folding the flop with 100BB stacks?

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against this guy with 100bb I crai on the turn.

[NL Newbie]

Ok,

I didn't realise PAHUD uses preflop the total AF - Guess ill be using street aggression in my hand analysis when i play now so thanks OP.

I assume infinite means he's not called so the calculation can't be run to create a value? AKA he's bet and never called?

If you call turn, throw out a block river - 1/3rd. if its a spade i still like a block, we dont want Ax "value" betting us off the best hand. hell maybe he even folds an 8 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I'd say betting the turn(leading out for $30) has some credit to and its actually close IMO. Reasons for this are:

We're controlling pot size now and gain info if raised(Assuming he wont raise us with Ax).
We charge the flush draw if he just went wild and plans to check behind here.

On the other hand, we kill Ax's bets and he may let this go to a turn bet which he may of made had we just took a passive call/call line.

So its a coin flip, if you want to keep your pulse down then lead the turn. If you want to try mazimise EV vs Ax yet give flushes chance at a 'cheap'(or free) card then don't.

We can make this OOP spot work for us [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[mackthefork]

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I agree, I reread the thread now I saw you talking about the .77 AF. Missed that completely.

Do you still do this if he has this low AF?

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No, his action would imply an 8 much more often in that case, if i felt i had to fold this to the 20 or the 40 on the river, then it's definitely time for me to leave the table as I think i'm scared money, nothing personal.

Mack

[whyzze]

My thought were that I dont necessarily want to play a huge pot this deep with this hand...especially OOP...especially with that board.

Even if I am 200bbs deep I would not be happy about his raise. He wasn't utterly horrible, just loose passive preflop.