16: Bubble SnG standard right?

[Dhani]

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You have 0 FE preflop with your stack.

By playing like this , you have a little FE on the flop (not much but hey).

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By calling this flop we're basically pot committed anyways. We are not getting him to fold postflop and we cannot be certain with this flop or any overcard that we are ahead. This means that RRAI preflop is the best choice under the circumstances.

[Wolverine]

He's obviously prepared to call a shove pre-flop or he wouldn't make that raise in the first place. You have a fraction of fold equity with the stop and go, so it's slightly better.

[Uniqueuponhim]

I don't see how a stop+go is better than pushing preflop here. The *only* time we have any FE on the flop is if villain whiffed, and in that case we want him to call anyway. With a stop+go, all of our chips are going in no matter what, while 1000 of villains chips are only going in if he's ahead on the flop. On the other hand, pushing preflop makes sure all of his chips get in no matter what as well.

[Mark L]

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i think its shove/fold pf, im leaning towarda a fold unless villain has been super aggro

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Folding is absurd imo unless villain was super passive up till then. With his huge stack he is very likely trying to bully and pick up blinds. Our hand has way too much value to fold. He could very easily have only 1 or no overcards.

[Wolverine]

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I don't see how a stop+go is better than pushing preflop here. The *only* time we have any FE on the flop is if villain whiffed, and in that case we want him to call anyway. With a stop+go, all of our chips are going in no matter what, while 1000 of villains chips are only going in if he's ahead on the flop. On the other hand, pushing preflop makes sure all of his chips get in no matter what as well.

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We want to maximise our chance of winning the pot here to survive the bubble.

[PokahPokah]

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i think its shove/fold pf, im leaning towarda a fold unless villain has been super aggro

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Folding is absurd imo unless villain was super passive up till then. With his huge stack he is very likely trying to bully and pick up blinds. Our hand has way too much value to fold. He could very easily have only 1 or no overcards.

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thats why i sed unless hes been aggro. flipping on the bubble is ghey

[Kevin8423]

I shove. Think about the outcomes:

He hits the flop:
-You SnG, he calls and wins the hand, you get bubbled.
-You shove pf and he wins the hand, you get bubbled.

He misses the flop:
-You SnG, he folds and you gain 1000 chips.
-You shove pf, his additional 1000 is in the pot and he is drawing to the turn and river to knock you out.

The instance where he is drawing to the turn and river without a made hand for an additional 1000 chips is clearly worth the times you lose when he catches some cards here. For all other situations the outcome will be identical regardless of a shove pf or a SnG.

[DeuceSeven]

I like stopngo or ai pf. I've started incorporating the stopngo in situations like this. Sure beats the hell out if getting a call from QJ ai pf.

[johnnyknish]

i def think the sng is best heere for what deuce said there is no reason to have QJ see all five cards against you and the sng puts an end to that.

[Kevin8423]

Read my post if you think SnG is right. Why would you not want QJ to see all 5 cards for 1000 extra?? You are getting called either way if they hit on the flop so they are really only seeing 2 cards extra.