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Old 07-27-2007, 09:05 AM
WarhammerIIC WarhammerIIC is offline
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Default NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

Villain is 25/2.5/1 over 38 hands.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $12.25
BB: $23.60
UTG: $7.75
UTG+1: $9.75
MP1: $5.80
MP2: $7.55
Hero (MP3): $26.95
CO: $35.35
BTN: $26.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, CO calls $1.50, 4 folds

Turn: ($4.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $8.00</font>, Hero ??
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Old 07-27-2007, 09:13 AM
CallMeJohn CallMeJohn is offline
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

Push. You don't want to see a 4th club on the river. You may be beat, but you can't fold here.

Raise preflop. If this hand was heads up, i would stack off 100% of the time and feel good about it.
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Old 07-27-2007, 10:02 AM
Steelerman Steelerman is offline
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

Agreed, push this. It's 118-1 to flop the flush when you hold suited cards. The odds of you both flopping the flush are through the roof. Like John said, you don't want to see another club so get it in here. If he happens to have the higher flush take solace in the fact that you were the victim of amazingly bad luck.
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Old 07-27-2007, 10:08 AM
CazicT CazicT is offline
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

Is it possible to lay this down? The opponent seems passive, though it's only 38 hands.

If it were me i'd, push. I can't come up with many hands that he'd play this way with. A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X is possible, but I don't know if that is more likely than the the random two club cards or not.

I guess since the villian is relatively unknown, you probably have to just stack it here, but I have a bad feeling about it.
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

raising pre-flop is a bit to laggy for me but as said above just poosh and feel good knowing you made the right play.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:23 PM
leatangclan leatangclan is offline
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

This is more of a question than comment. If we take a look from villan's perspective. There were six callers. So unless villan is a bad player (or I am a bad player for making this observation), he would realized that the chance for someone to have flopped a flush would be pretty good. So unless villan has a flush, and a pretty high one at that, why would villan make the large raise? I guess he can have a club ace only and hoped to get paid off on the river. But I can't think off anything else villan would make the raise.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:44 PM
mce86 mce86 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

38 hands, not much of a read yet.
Id call, probably bet small on the river and let him raise me again, and call. If he has the better flush, good hand.
I dont think this player is raising just the ace of clubs...even though its not great, his 1.0 AGGR tells me he is going to be raising made hands not on the come. If he was more aggressive, I would def. reraise.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

I agree. Raising here and getting a caller on the button really makes this hand hard to play. If you were on the button with 2 limpers in front of you, I would be inclined to raise.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:47 PM
Makonnen Makonnen is offline
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

Pooooooooooooooooosh. But, I'm a flushwhore.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: NL25 flopped flush against higher flush?

Villain can easily have 44, 22, KcQx, QxJc, AcXx, heck and .10/.25 he could have a naked Q. There are just too many hands that we beat right now to give it up.

That said, we are going to stack off once in a while to a better flush. If we were deeper, I'd worry. But, this is our best flop that isn't 456r. Stick it in and don't look back.
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