K/high flush deep stacked

duecesful · #1 07-30-2007, 02:36 PM

Late night 1/2 nl game. Game has been playing pretty passive. I have about $600 in front of me and there is only one other big stacxk that covers me. He has been playing fairly snug and predictable ABC poker.

Anyway, big stack raises UTG TO 12. 2 callers to me on the button. I call w/ K5h. Flop comes 8h Jh Qh. bb bets $25 UTG calls and I raise $60 more. BB calls and then UTG raises $250 more. WTF?

Whats my line. Easy push? What do you put UTG on?

AAismyfriend · #2 07-30-2007, 02:44 PM

This action is scary since I think if he flopped a low flush he would have raised the flop initialy when BB bet. Also, he's tight and raised UTG pf and he's probably not doing this with QTh or something. I think everyone's gonna say wtf easy push, and it's probably what I'd do here since I suck at hero folds, but this might be a good spot for one.

orensi · #3 07-30-2007, 02:52 PM

UTG's line doesnt make much sense.
Initially I would say JJ-QQ but he sees you & BB re-raise & call and he pops it?? Maybe AhQx?
I guess he could have the nuts here and now understands he is going to get paid.
Nevertheless, I dont think you can fold this. Close you eyes, push, and if he flips over Ahxh (or the board pairs and he fills up) im sorry for your loss...
I have to admit that with REALLY deep stacks I might fold this...

TheAcesRToxic · #4 07-30-2007, 02:54 PM

He has QQ. Insta-call. But I agree with Orensi in that his line doesn't make sense, but some ppl are just that bad that they will call-raise a suited flop

Edit: is it possible he has AA with the Ah?

duecesful · #5 07-30-2007, 03:04 PM

Funny thing is when he raised preflop I told him that I felt if I hit my hand he was going to payoff my whole stack and now I dont know what to do. I dont put him on AhAx b/c I think he raises BB bet for sure. He had a very ABC style and didnt think he would be making a move. Is it possible to smooth call and fold turn/river push?

duecesful · #6 07-30-2007, 03:10 PM

If it makes a difference this was at a locals Vegas casino. UTG was a local. He was also giving me this look when the flop came out. I dont know how to explain the look but he was very comfortable when he raised. he took maybe 15 seconds to decide to raise then pushed out his chips very comfortably

fitnessfreak · #7 07-30-2007, 03:32 PM

i agree that UTG took a scary line, but seriously there is no way you can fold this, even as deep as you are, unless you have a sick read on the villian that he will only play the nuts in this way. he can have a set, lower flush, AhA, Ahx trying to get cute and so on. fairly trivial push imo. if he rolls the nuts (which im assuming he did bcoz ppl only post these things they lose [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) just sigh and reload.

duecesful · #8 07-30-2007, 03:41 PM

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Already stuck $600 in the game and had been grinding it back for a marathon session.....so it was either sigh and go home....or sigh and get unstuck!!!

destroBU · #9 07-30-2007, 04:16 PM

Just get it in. If this "snug ABC" full ring player happened to randomly and uncharacteristically raise Ahxh UTG, then oh well.

QQ, JJ, AhAx make the most sense here.

duecesful · #10 07-30-2007, 04:38 PM

I for some reason REALLY didn’t like this hand. I had already played a 12 hr session to get unstuck and was very tired. I thought for about 30 sec and folded.

After I folded I asked did he have nut flush and he said no. The board paired on the river so I thought I escaped a full house w/a bad fold. He turned up 2h4h for a lower flush. The way it was played though made me think nut flush. This hand made me sick and I left shortly after.

Anyone else find a fold here? All I could think was all those times I stacked off w/a flush against the nuts. (I have no idea where the raise came from w/24 either. He never got out of line b4 that.)

Was it really that bad of a fold? I think the nut flush plays it same way. Blah....this hand haunted me all weekend. I even dreamt about it.