interesting 3 way (dry sidepot) hand v. tay 25/50

[Python49]

On the flop I feel his range is any 7 that includes a connected or 1-2 gapper (67, T7) as well as A7, I don't think he calls from the blinds here with K7 but if he does it's basically the same here for us anyway and is only a good thing because it gives us a wider range for 7s he could have. Also he could obv have 55 and the boat or have rivered the boat with 79. I don't think he flat calls a bet then all in with 68 here on the flop especially if he feels you are weak since he would assume he can't expect you to be paying him off with too many hands to big bets on the river.. and if he can't bet big on the river he's not getting the odds he would need to call.

So, of the most likely range here, I think he plays each of them like this, the 7 and the boat. There are more combinations for the 7 that he could have here than the boat and since your hand looks like an over pair trying to get to a cheap showdown he would also be betting a 7 small on the river trying to get you to call with it. So with that range and getting over 3:1 on the river I think this looks like a definite call.

[Python49]

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If you are behind on the turn, and you check, he is going to bet the river, and you are going to have a very tough decision and probably pay off. If you bet this turn and he raises or calls and leads river, you can make a safe fold. So either way, if you are behind on the turn, you are still probably putting the same amount of money in and it doesnt matter.


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Main problem i'd see with that is that if you are betting the turn you can be moved off the best hand if taylor is putting you on an over pair and has the 7 and feels he's trapped you once you bet the turn committing yourself. Instead of using that bet on the turn to "see where we are" I would prefer to definitely use it to either value bet river or call his river lead into us because by using that bet we would have made on the turn on the river we are making it to showdown at a higher frequency and not missing out on any value (unless after taylor calls a turn bet you are shoving the river... which I don't really think has too much value if he views us as a weak player... and can also be losing us even more money for when he's letting us hang ourselves).

Just my opinion.

[10K-in-Clay]

are we still in favour of calling the river if the bet is more in the 2500+ range??

[Python49]

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are we still in favour of calling the river if the bet is more in the 2500+ range??

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With how this hand played out I can't imagine folding. Couldn't GP be betting $2500+ hoping to still get called by AA/KK?

[raptor517]

i think u played it fine assuming u called river

[TxRedMan]

As played, call the river.

I prefer betting the turn though b/c I can't see him being full very often, but having trips, trips+straight draw, or the nut OESD seems likely, so I'd probably bet $2800 on the turn.

Also, betting this flop is fine. I wouldn't do it as a default play, but betting here is not incorrect. I'd probably bet here 80% of the time.

[wdead]

i dont understand why no one wants to bet/call the turn? wouldnt villain raise a seven for value against our "Overpair"

[True]

very nice

[RiverHebrew2]

I think tay's overflatcall is VERY scary, and I would say 7x or 5's full. As played, getting good odds, I probably couldn't fold the river since he could be valuebetting his trips vs ur overpair (which looks like ur hand after u called flop and checked behind turn). I woulda bet-called AI turn, assuming obviously 7x is much more likely than 5's full at this point from him. I pay off riv getting these odds with the line u took, ur hand is def underrepped on the turn, and we cannot put him on backdoor hearts.