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07-18-2007, 10:24 PM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
call and CR most non A and K flops. he is only calling with KK+ if you push.
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#12
07-18-2007, 10:25 PM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
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[ QUOTE ] Who is button? Any read? I think this is like... always a push. [/ QUOTE ] But if we shove, wtf are they going to call with besides AA? A shove by us would look extremely strong. A read on button would definitely help. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know but also relevant, does Matt know who you are? Also I don't know your typical UTG opening range which is certainly relevant as well, if Matt knows this.
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#14
07-18-2007, 10:27 PM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Call for set value. [/ QUOTE ] Can the cold caller really only have AA? Couldn't he be playing JJ or QQ like this? Or he could just be bad. [/ QUOTE ] I assume gobbo is sarcastic and thinks this is an obvious push. [/ QUOTE ] I dunno if he was being sarcastic or not, but I think shoving would be bad. I know MattSuspect is good, so think he would fold everything but KK and AA. I dunno about the cold caller, but he would likely fold QQ too. Call is definitely the best preflop play, and I'd be willing to go broke on a non ace high or queen high flop depending on the action. [/ QUOTE ] People fold QQ like ever? Seriously? I'm prolly shipping it, though i'll have to look at stack sizes again. [/ QUOTE ] Well, Matt is a good player, and I can't imagine a good player ever calling QQ here if he was utg+1 and betgo shoved. He can't put betgo on looser than QQ+ AK, which QQ is 1.5:1 dog against. Pot is only laying like 1.45:1 or something, but he also has to worry about the cold caller. I agree we can't assume the cold caller would fold QQ, but it's not that unlikely. Also, this tournament generally plays pretty tight early on.
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#15
07-18-2007, 10:27 PM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
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call and CR most non A and K flops. he is only calling with KK+ if you push. [/ QUOTE ] Why? He's folding the other QQ and AK? I think there is a tendency on this board to assign super tight calling ranges. Are we saying he's turbo mucking JJ and TT?
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#16
07-18-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
wow wtf at just calling
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#17
07-18-2007, 11:59 PM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
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[ QUOTE ] call and CR most non A and K flops. he is only calling with KK+ if you push. [/ QUOTE ] Why? He's folding the other QQ and AK? I think there is a tendency on this board to assign super tight calling ranges. Are we saying he's turbo mucking JJ and TT? [/ QUOTE ] well im assuming villian knows us. whats our UTG range to him? not much and he is repping like JJ+ AK i dont know exactly. there is no way he calls a push with JJ or TT or he is terrible. but if we are unknown to him pushing has more merit
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#18
07-19-2007, 12:12 AM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
nah, no way I am calling here, I put it in here quickly
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#19
07-19-2007, 12:25 AM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
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[ QUOTE ] I think Matt Suspect's range here should be KK+. Call for set value. [/ QUOTE ] Discuss [/ QUOTE ] IMO mattsuspect should never reraise anything there.
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#20
07-19-2007, 03:17 AM
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Re: KK raise UTG, reraised and called.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think Matt Suspect's range here should be KK+. Call for set value. [/ QUOTE ] Discuss [/ QUOTE ] IMO mattsuspect should never reraise anything there. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, but I think his raise size is very telling of KK+. Obviously you're crushed against that range. He's only calling with AA if you shove.
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