Strange call by Roothlus

betgo · #1 08-09-2007, 11:01 PM

This is the 2nd hour of the $20r. I think it is right for this forum. Is a reraise of a tight early position raiser now assumed to be a resteal with junk?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 (t24706)
MP3 (t22281)
CO (t5625)
Hero (t4340)
SB (t11259)
BB (t18650)
UTG (t6509)
UTG+1 (t9570)
MP1 (t17555)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t490, 3 folds, Hero raises to t4340, 2 folds, MP1 calls t3850.

Flop: (t8980) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t8980) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t8980) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t8980

Results in white below: 
MP1 has Ks Qh (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has Ad Qd (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins t8980.

gs3737 · #2 08-09-2007, 11:10 PM

If by strange you mean 'bad', then yes.

spackle240 · #3 08-09-2007, 11:13 PM

not a good call on his part, but not really horrible either, your overbet looks like 88-JJ a lot, and he can afford to make the call here

ASPoker8 · #4 08-09-2007, 11:14 PM

Shove is fine, call is questionable at best

Foucault · #5 08-09-2007, 11:14 PM

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not a good call on his part, but not really horrible either, your overbet looks like 88-JJ a lot, and he can afford to make the call here

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What? No this is a terrible call.

ianisakson · #6 08-09-2007, 11:19 PM

fwiw Roothlus has been gone the last few months. Looks to me like he's a little rusty.

shaundeeb · #7 08-09-2007, 11:24 PM

Ian, wtf that sounded really racist. he's prob rusty but vs a lot of people I don't mind this call esp at 20r if He was CO and you were a blind I think his call should be standard since people have adjusted properly from shoving any Ax to shoving hands that are likely to be live. And make of these hands are Kx and Qx and this calling with KQ is much better then people realize.

Also, I think 20r has new blind structure so that means at 100/200 theres no antees so I hate the call obv a lot more but with antees and move each of them back a spot or two and this call is +EV.

ianisakson · #8 08-10-2007, 12:02 AM

sorry if it sounded racist, he made a post on p5's stating he was at a jewish summer camp and hadn't played in months.

I am not a racist, I just say what I hear.

*edit

So I worked at a Jewish sleepaway camp instead of going to the WSOP
Roothlus
http://www.pocketfives.com/D3E69532-...88A1933F2.aspx

betgo · #9 08-10-2007, 12:05 AM

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Ian, wtf that sounded really racist. he's prob rusty but vs a lot of people I don't mind this call esp at 20r if He was CO and you were a blind I think his call should be standard since people have adjusted properly from shoving any Ax to shoving hands that are likely to be live. And make of these hands are Kx and Qx and this calling with KQ is much better then people realize.

Also, I think 20r has new blind structure so that means at 100/200 theres no antees so I hate the call obv a lot more but with antees and move each of them back a spot or two and this call is +EV.

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But he didn't raise from CO. It is real unlikely I have Qx/Kx. More likely 88-QQ or AK/AQ. I really don't think you should assume I would be straight restealing here.

BadgerPro · #10 08-10-2007, 12:10 AM

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Ian, wtf that sounded really racist. he's prob rusty but vs a lot of people I don't mind this call esp at 20r if He was CO and you were a blind I think his call should be standard since people have adjusted properly from shoving any Ax to shoving hands that are likely to be live. And make of these hands are Kx and Qx and this calling with KQ is much better then people realize.

Also, I think 20r has new blind structure so that means at 100/200 theres no antees so I hate the call obv a lot more but with antees and move each of them back a spot or two and this call is +EV.

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But he didn't raise from CO. It is real unlikely I have Qx/Kx. More likely 88-QQ or AK/AQ. I really don't think you should assume I would be straight restealing here.

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Does Ruthlus know your game? He probably gave you a much wider range that included some typical resteal hands when you are rarely/never pushing those here.