PL100 fullhouse reraised on turn

[CrushinFelt]

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If we can't shove the river here, we should fold the turn, since the pot is relatively small and villain's hand range hasn't changed between the turn and river.


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This is hilariously wrong.

[roggles]

Why?

[CrushinFelt]

Not every hand has to be played for stacks. It's not impossible to go into c/c mode in Omaha. You even used the word "range" in your answer. It's prefectly fine to c/c against someone's range if you think you are ahead of it overall but that a raise will only get action from the very top of it.

[roggles]

As I said I think he will call with his entire range here. People don't fold Q8 here. I am assuming we are not super-deep.

[grizy]

Dangerous assumption even at these levels.

2QQs, 6 Q8s, 1 88, and 1 89. QQ and 88 snap call all in. 89 will probably fold unless it's a fish. If you really believe all the players at 0.5/1 will call you with Q8 here over 50% of the time (what's needed to make a shove good), you should push here. But if it's a thinking player at all... Q8 is getting tossed well over 50% of the time here, even at 0.5/1 level.

EDIT: Once he potted the river his range also gets tilted toward the upper end of the range so in reality you really need significantly better than 50% chance that he's calling with Q8 to make a raise profitable. In other words, he needs to be a fish.

[emil3000]

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As I said I think he will call with his entire range here. People don't fold Q8 here. I am assuming we are not super-deep.

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So if you think he has q8 40% of the time, do you still want to raise? Do you want to fold?