KKK on 4-flush board

[danspartan]

Bodog 5/10
No reads other than a decided willingness for cold calling pre-flop by multiple players.

UTG+1 raises
MP1 calls
MP2 (hero) 3-bets K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Folds to SB and BB, both call, all call
5 way 3 bets

Flop 10 hi [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG+1 bets, call, hero raises, all call except SB
2 bets 4 ways (23 SB total)

Turn K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Checks around (comment?)

River: Brick

UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero folds, SB folds (13BB) (comment?)

[Niediam]

You should bet the turn. Maybe your hand is good. Maybe somebody folds a small club. Even if you get raised that isn't that bad because you have a strong draw.

[Harv72b]

When I'm holding a set on the turn, I am betting 100% of the time when it's checked to me. 150% if I can figure out how.

As played, I hate to make the river fold but it's a good one.

[Lethe]

Definitely bet the turn. If called you can obviously check the river through UI.

[danspartan]

Do we overcall on river if donked/called even if we bet on turn?

What if there is a c/r on turn the a lead out. Call? Overcall? What if overcall does not close action?

Concur on weak turn play. Shouldnt have cared if there was a trapper given 10 out re-draw. Losing value and fold equity (maybe low club or str8 draw dumps)

[Yepitis]

I would also bet the trun but as played I would raise the river. The club out there is either the nuts or very small so I would hope the small club folds to my raise and I beat the other guys two pair or pocket.

If there is a check raise on the turn I would say three bet and the little club should think he is beat. This may buy a free showdown as well. You have enough outs to keep playing this aggressivaly thru the turn.

[chesspain]

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If there is a check raise on the turn I would say three bet and the little club should think he is beat. This may buy a free showdown as well.

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Speaking of buying and selling, I have some magic beans which just came in...


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You have enough outs to keep playing this aggressivaly thru the turn.

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Actually, you don't.

[One Outer]

I don't like anything but folding on the river.

[danspartan]

Results time. Thanks for the discussion.

The player behind folded as well. Better had a set of 10s. Caller had KT for two pair. No clubs.

I like the turn bet much better than the check, although I'm still stressing out that the flop two bet had 3 callers.

On the whole I can feel good at b/c on the turn and no overcall on the river

I constantly over-estimate callers (they must have the club). So as played I still like the fold. However, I think the river is easier if bet the turn. It further defines the hand. Against 2-3 opponents its at worst not too -EV if we're behind. It should further define the hand (c/r=big club) and if no c/r then it should freeze the action on the river.

[Yepitis]

You may all bow down to me now.