Flopped straight - flush draw on board

Dave I · #1 02-10-2006, 01:35 PM

Second orbit at table. Button is terrible and his l/r screamed big pair. Know nothing about BB. After flop I figure him for a flush draw, certainly something he likes.

I realize I didn't need to push given BB stack and I'm sure he is calling with pretty much anything. But, if his stack were closer to mine or he had me covered would it have been correct to push if I knew he had a flush draw? How about a set?

In this hand I wasn't thinking about BB stack size because I pushed thinking I would isolate button. Stack size concepts are yet another thing I need to work on and I don't pay enough attention to. Usually I only notice if they have me covered and I was thinking after this hand that I could have made a costly mistake. Not sure.

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.65
UTG+1: $5.90
CO: $8.60
Button: $20.55
Dave: $64.55
BB: $14.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) Dave is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Dave calls $0.15, BB raises to $1, UTG calls $0.5, CO folds, Button raises to $1.75, Dave calls $1.25, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($7.25, 5 players)
Dave bets $6, BB calls $6, UTG folds, Button raises all-in $19.05, Dave raises all-in $63.05, BB 7.2 $7.2.
Uncalled bets: $44 returned to Dave.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($102.55, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $46.85, Sidepot 1: $11.7, Sidepot 2: $44)

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($102.55, 1 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $46.85, Sidepot 1: $11.7, Sidepot 2: $44)

Results:
Final pot: $102.55
BB Shows Kd Kc
Button Shows Ac As
Dave Shows 6c 7c

napkins · #2 02-10-2006, 01:37 PM

std

edit: I wasn't looking at preflop, I wouldn't call 6x BB if the raiser had only 17 left, only if I was sure I was getting it all in if I hit.

EMc · #3 02-10-2006, 01:40 PM

Haha what a buncha nits you found. Nice hand.

Dan Bitel · #4 02-10-2006, 01:56 PM

standard

button is an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave I · #5 02-10-2006, 02:08 PM

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button is an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yes he was. What really stunk was my 400BB stack was useless after this hand. He left and nobody had anything worth playing for.

I hear standard but does that mean pushing would have also been correct if BB's stack was bigger?

Dan Bitel · #6 02-10-2006, 02:22 PM

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button is an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yes he was. What really stunk was my 400BB stack was useless after this hand. He left and nobody had anything worth playing for.

I hear standard but does that mean pushing would have also been correct if BB's stack was bigger?

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If your read is that he has a tasty hand, then yes, because he's calling, plus it almost looks like an isolation raise

Dave I · #7 02-10-2006, 02:26 PM

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std

edit: I wasn't looking at preflop, I wouldn't call 6x BB if the raiser had only 17 left, only if I was sure I was getting it all in if I hit.

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I should have added that I was pretty sure of that. Button was aggressive and bad. I took the other half of his stack a few hands earlier with a flopped set of two's that rivered quads. He donked each street and called my raises the whole way then folded to my river push after he donked that too. There was no straight or flush possible.

Also, does this not fit the 5/10 rule?

RussianBear · #8 02-10-2006, 02:45 PM

There's a little bit more to the five/ten rule than just call or not call based on it being less than five percent. [ QUOTE ]
When contemplating calling a raise because your position is good, you have a clear call if the amount is less than five percent of your stack, and a clear fold if it is more than ten percent. In between those numbers, use your judgement. Keep in mind that the raiser is your most likely target, so make sure he has plenty of money to be won, as well as watching your own ammunition supply.
Pot-Limt and No-Limit Poker
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Lardog · #9 02-10-2006, 01:52 PM

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Second orbit at table. Button is terrible and his l/r screamed big pair. Know nothing about BB.

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So what I want to know is, if Button's action screamed big pair, why are you calling his re-raise pre-flop with a marginal hand? Sure, you got a lucky flop, but otherwise, I see that move costing you in the long run.

Am I wrong?

Dave I · #10 02-10-2006, 01:59 PM

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Am I wrong?

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Yes, I believe so. Paractically knowing what button is holding, I'm playing it for staight/flush/2 pair or > value and dumping if I miss. I also dump it if I hit 1 pair and face heavy action.