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Old 11-10-2007, 11:52 PM
ddubois ddubois is offline
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Default Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

Villain stacked me for 125bb a couple hours earlier when he 3bet 98o in position against my 77, and the flop came 7TJ. Hurray for FullTilt.

I have no idea what to do here. It seems like there's no amount I can bet that prevents him from set-mining. What's my goal? 4-bet an amount that induces a re-raise? Call and try to get to showdown cheap OOP unimproved? (bleh!) Bomb huge so he can't set mine, but it's super obvious what I have? Rep a misclick?

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

DrGiggy (BTN): $1,330.50
Potomophobia (SB): $427.80
KimKJ (BB): $142
barelyl3gal (UTG): $416
Hero (MP): $1,681.50
jballer88 (CO): $475

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
barelyl3gal folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, jballer88 folds, <font color="red">DrGiggy raises to $48</font>, 2 folds, Hero ???
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

raise to 150
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:58 PM
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Default Re: Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

Raise to $200.
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Old 11-10-2007, 11:59 PM
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Default Re: Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

4bet an amount that both induces 5bet bluffs and doesnt reveal ur hand (raise to 135?). If u think raising bigger gives him the odds anyways and gives away ur hand - seems like betting smaller is the right play. An insta shove could be fun also if u think it could come off as either a misclick or a frustrated play with jacks+ or ak (therefore get looked up by queens, kings and sometimes ak).
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:01 AM
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Default Re: Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

Anything around 160 should be fine. He can't really set mine all that profitably even if you stack off every time.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

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4bet an amount that both induces 5bet bluffs and doesnt reveal ur hand (raise to 135?). If u think raising bigger gives him the odds anyways and gives away ur hand - seems like betting smaller is the right play. An insta shove could be fun also if u think it could come off as either a misclick or a frustrated play with jacks+ or ak (therefore get looked up by queens, kings and sometimes ak).

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instashove.... from 12 to 330bb, maybe at 0.01/0.02
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

repping a misclick by entering 1244 like you hit an extra 4 on accident would be sick but i don't think it works here hardly ever.

i'd vary my 4 bet size depending on how frustrated you appear to be vs him. if he thinks ur frustrated i'd probably do 130ish because Giggy is def capable of coming over the top w/ a 5bet bluff. if he isn't going to really think ur bluffing here when u 4bet i would just make it 160-170ish.

also 100bb deep you should be folding that 77 OOP from other hand you mentioned.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:05 AM
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Raise to $200.

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Also I should mention that when you're 4bet bluffing, you should be raising to this same size when you're this deep.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:12 AM
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Default Re: Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

I'd call unless I had 4 betting history and knew he didn't like to give up/could predict his preflop reactions with most of his holdings.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:15 AM
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Default Re: Stupid preflop question, 330bb deep

exhibit 1 for why having a tight image sucks

call
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