The hardest spot in micro stakes poker? JJ from the SB

[el_grande]

I think most uNL villains are thinking about hand values before they are thinking that their stack is in jeopardy when they have $35 behind.

[Chomp]

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luckily for all of you, i have no life and have taken detailed notes on all of aba's vids

looking at the notes, revealed these hands he played (similar enough i think; at the very least we get to see what good players do)


BTN opens. Aba 3bets 77 in SB. JTx flop (two hearts). Aba cbets.

CO opens. Aba 3bets JJ OTB. CO checks. Aba cbets ATx flop (two diamonds). Get raised. Aba folds.

BTN opens (multitabler). Aba 3bets K7o in BB. Aba cbets Axx flop.

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Derosnec, I think these are all significantly different to Ama's hand - I'd cb in each of those spots too (like aba lol), but not in Ama's hand.


Edit to say I am wrong here - the second hand is the same as Ama's hand.

[Profish2285]

Chomp, the second hand is almost exactly the same as the one listed by op.

[matrix]

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it is a RR's pot, betting 7$ is treatening villians entire stack!

The only reason for betting 9 is the FD and a need to protect your AK a wee bit.

But it is in no way weak.

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If I was villain a $7 bet on this board would make me think my QQ or Ax is good. I would also consider bluff raising. I see AK or AQ for hero unlikely after a $7 bet. It really looks like JJ-KK.

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You think wrong.

On this flop I'd bet $7 with JJ $7 with 67cc $7 with AK $7 with AA $7 with 53hh ....

if you call my flop bet and I have strong draw or a made hand that beats one pair I C/Rall-in on any turn I probably C/R you all-in if a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turns up regardless of my hand.

If you raise my flop bet I fold the air hands and you get nothing more from me - and over time all those extra $2 you guys are spewing where you bet $9 and fold to a raise - I keep all them in my bankroll.

The BIGGEST mistakes in poker are the small ones we make over and over and over and over...

Thinking a $7 bet is weak but a $9 bet is strong is looking too much at the dollar amounts being bet and not thinking at all on what will/might happen on later streets.

Hell if we half pot this flop and get called and then half pot the turn and that gets called the pot on the river is >$50 and we'd only have a half pot bet left in our stack

[Gelford]

Chomp ... I've had this argument before (tho I'm not digging up the jonyy thread)


I do not like getting fancy for the sake of 'value' oop.

EV wise it might not matter a lot whether you do one or the other, you claim to be getting value ... but you're also giving free cards and must expect to call two bets most likely ... sometimes an ace will be there .. sometimes KK ... sometimes AhKh



My main concern is simplicity ... by checking you open up a pandoras box .. but betting 7$ you effectively end the hand (at least til you start noticing that he is a floater), it is pure it is simple and honestly, it is not where you find great EV.


But what it does is making you play wierdly and tricky oop, which in my experience develops and suddenly you find yourself playing many types of hands wierdly etc.

This is a RR's pot, which means cbetting is cheap and quickly can show a profit. Keep it simple .. holla!

[Profish2285]

Not for nothing, when people make weak looking bets into me its usually a scared hand. I have had decent success floating these bets and stealing on the turn.

[Gelford]

Matrix, nice posting in this thread [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


I'm off to bed, take care all

[Gelford]

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Not for nothing, when people make weak looking bets into me its usually a scared hand. I have had decent success floating these bets and stealing on the turn.

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You have noticed this is a RR's pot, no ?

[Profish2285]

I am not saying 1/2 pot is wrong, because thats usually what I do too. But against a typical uNL player I think a bet like this is usually a scared hand, especially a player who has taggish stats. But I am still learning so this could be way off I guess and I am just running hot.

[AFennewald]

bet fold the flop. It is hard to get any value so I'd just turn my hand into abluff.