Over-bet bluff shove...250bb deep.

loosbastard · #1 11-21-2007, 07:56 PM

Villain is TAGfish...but no stats because it's from a smaller site I play at. I've seen him limp/call a few times w/ a lot of Ax type hands. He usually C/R's flop w/ his strong hands.

I'm playing fairly solid but aggro. I just doubled through a little while ago when I flopped 2 pair, boated on the turn, and some random donk C/R AI...top pair no good sir. Villain made a comment after about how I always get paid off. Not sure what to make of that other than he's paying some attention at least. Anyways...on to the hand:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($189.90)
Hero ($471.95)
Button ($196.00)
SB ($71.40)
BB ($243.03)
UTG ($553.48)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, BB calls $8, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($31) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $20, BB folds, UTG calls $20.

Turn: ($71) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $52, UTG calls $52.

River: ($175) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $389.95 and is All-In

Ranma4703 · #2 11-21-2007, 07:59 PM

He's not folding an ace, you are representing a bluff. Check behind flop, check behind turn. Don't raise preflop, but it is okay sometimes.

AllIn3High · #3 11-21-2007, 08:01 PM

Not sure I like it. You're representing a very narrow hand range here and what are you really hoping to fold out here w/ that big a bet, that a smaller couldn't accomplish?

It looks like he either has some kind of aces up that got counterfeited (which he will probably fold) or set, that's trapping (which doesn't fold).

So I think a $90 bet would accomplish the same here, am I way off here?

loosbastard · #4 11-21-2007, 08:01 PM

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Don't raise preflop

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you're kidding right?

spivey · #5 11-21-2007, 08:02 PM

I really don't think there's anything that he calls a PSB that he'd fold to an overbet.

loosbastard · #6 11-21-2007, 08:03 PM

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So I think a $90 bet would accomplish the same here, am I way off here?

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I don't think villain is ever folding anything for $90 here. He also plays really straight-forward, so he has a set/2 pair practically never. Even if he does show up w/ 2-pair...like you mentioned, it got counterfeited.

AllIn3High · #7 11-21-2007, 08:03 PM

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He's not folding an ace, you are representing a bluff. Check behind flop, check behind turn. Don't raise preflop, but it is okay sometimes.

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Of course he's folding an ace here, wtf? they're 200BB deep.

Also raise this PF all the time, wtf?

Checking behind on turn, sure, some of the time, but mostly we're picking this up, wtf+

loosbastard · #8 11-21-2007, 08:03 PM

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I really don't think there's anything that he calls a PSB that he'd fold to an overbet.

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Really? See I disagree...which is why it was either shove or just give up in my mind.

Paul Thomson · #9 11-21-2007, 08:05 PM

I think $200-$225 accomplishes the same thing.

kaby · #10 11-21-2007, 08:06 PM

for those too lazy to do math, he needs to fold >68% of the time to break even

i think you're getting called too much because your line isn't really consistent... why would you valueshove AK/AA/... here when he has a weak hand (he doesn't check 33/88/AT 3 times, so he has like AJ AQ a lot here imho)?

cbetting flop is perfectly fine, i think it's either 3barrel or give up on turn, if i 3barrel i'd make it like 59$ on turn and 80% pot on river ... but i pbb give up without better reads