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#1
10-22-2007, 01:57 AM
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How many raises?
live 9 handed 8-16. it is a kill pot so we are playing 16-32. The killer is the BB.
I open raise with 88 from MP1, the cutoff and button call as does the killer. The villian in this hand is pretty selective preflop maybe just a little too loose. He can be tricky but for the most part plays pretty straightforward. He sees me as very tight. The flop: Ks8s4c It is checked to me and I bet, folded to the button who thinks for a second and raises, folded back to me and I reraise, button calls. The turn: Ks8s6cKh I check, the button checks. I was going for the check-raise. The villian tends to just call down after I have shown aggression. He may think his king is outkicked. I figured he would bet the turn for sure. The river: Ks8s6cKh7s I bet, He raises, I reraise, He 4 bets and....I? 
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#2
10-22-2007, 02:16 AM
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Re: How many raises?
You need to bet/3-bet the turn. He obviously has nut flush so 5-bet I guess. :|
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#3
10-22-2007, 03:26 AM
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Re: How many raises?
He had flush or exactly k-7 suited... weird
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#4
10-22-2007, 05:38 AM
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Re: How many raises?
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live 9 handed 8-16. it is a kill pot so we are playing 16-32. The killer is the BB. I open raise with 88 from MP1, the cutoff and button call as does the killer. The villian in this hand is pretty selective preflop maybe just a little too loose. He can be tricky but for the most part plays pretty straightforward. He sees me as very tight. [/ QUOTE ] so you opening in a kill pot from MP1 and having 1 caller in front would drastically discount K8(s)/K7(s)/K6(s), right? but "can be tricky" could then include KK w/ the "selective pf" thing... [ QUOTE ] The flop: Ks8s4c It is checked to me and I bet, folded to the button who thinks for a second and raises, folded back to me and I reraise, button calls. The turn: Ks8s6cKh I check, the button checks. I was going for the check-raise. The villian tends to just call down after I have shown aggression. He may think his king is outkicked. I figured he would bet the turn for sure. [/ QUOTE ] this makes 0 sense. you 3 bet the flop and open check the turn? with a flush draw on board? bet the turn. the king on the turn makes it LESS likely he has one. [ QUOTE ] The river: Ks8s6cKh7s I bet, He raises, I reraise, He 4 bets and....I? [/ QUOTE ] you 5 bet. if he 6 bets, you call. going 8 bets w/ an underboat in this spot is silly imo. you can cry call 6 and it seems the way he played it and given your read pf he is more likely to have a flush here (though badly played to 4 bet river) than Kx boat or KK. Barron
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#5
10-23-2007, 12:29 AM
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result
I 5 bet him because I couldn't imagine him cold calling preflop with K8,K7,K6. I felt 66 might be the hand. KK entered my mind after he put in the sixth bet.
He had KK. Obviously he played this hand very deceptively and finished me off for the night. Thats the most I have ever lost in one hand at 8-16. I agree I should have bet the turn I just outthought myself. By the way, it seems to be in vogue to cold call with big pairs these days even in multiway pots. Is this something you guys are seeing? I am also seeing a lot more limping with these hands.
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#8
10-23-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: How many raises?
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I bet, He raises, I reraise, He 4 bets and....I? [/ QUOTE ] Call and lose to a bigger boat. The thing with mid/low limit live players is that big street raises tend to trump what their actions on previous streets might suggest. I can't even remember the last time I've seen a (non-crazy) live player go 4 big bets on a paired board without a boat+.
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#9
10-23-2007, 02:20 PM
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Re: How many raises?
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[ QUOTE ] I bet, He raises, I reraise, He 4 bets and....I? [/ QUOTE ] Call and lose to a bigger boat. The thing with mid/low limit live players is that big street raises tend to trump what their actions on previous streets might suggest. I can't even remember the last time I've seen a (non-crazy) live player go 4 big bets on a paired board without a boat+. [/ QUOTE ] Clearly, you do not play at Canterbury... That having been said, I just call the 4 bet, because at Canterbury that player likely has K7o.
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#10
10-23-2007, 03:26 PM
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Re: How many raises?
I think the 5-bet, call 6 on the river is more than obvious here. With no re-raise from him pf, it's hard to put him on KK. It seems like K7,K8 even suited are a little out of his range, and would probably have been bet on the turn if he plays straight forwardly like you say. Some sort of nut/near nut flush is what the hand looks like. I think this post was motivated by the result a lot more than the play. FWIW, I think the turn check is silly and makes your hand transparent (see below). I guess that's the only justification you might use for not taking it to 5 on the river, the fact that you made your hand extremely clear on the turn, and then he still jams you on the river.
" I check, the button checks. I was going for the check-raise. The villian tends to just call down after I have shown aggression. He may think his king is outkicked. I figured he would bet the turn for sure." You should re-read this also, it makes no sense. You say you're going for the c/r, but say he tends to call down after he sees aggression, so how do you plan to c/r? Then you say he might think his king is outkicked, but you thought he'd bet the turn for sure. If he is scared and tends to call down, I don't know why you go for the check raise.
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