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200 PLO too aggressive?
Not that good in Omaha,so please check this hand out for me:
Full Tilt Poker Game #2794078076: Table O'Bannon - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 13:05:55 ET - 2007/06/28 Seat 1: Torres1 ($86.20) Seat 2: MusHansen ($337.95) Seat 3: crusader57 ($211.35) Seat 4: TastyTomatoes ($197) Seat 5: sootedgapper ($259) Seat 6: IWWSPIOCIL ($448.60) Seat 7: Bonetti ($219.50) Seat 8: Larha ($178.45), is sitting out Seat 9: abinaX ($224) MusHansen posts the small blind of $1 crusader57 posts the big blind of $2 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to sootedgapper [Qd Qh 6s Ah] TastyTomatoes has 15 seconds left to act TastyTomatoes folds sootedgapper raises to $6 IWWSPIOCIL folds Bonetti calls $6 abinaX has 15 seconds left to act abinaX raises to $27 Torres1 folds MusHansen folds crusader57 folds sootedgapper calls $21 Bonetti folds *** FLOP *** [Js Th 4h] sootedgapper bets $63 abinaX calls $63 *** TURN *** [Js Th 4h] [7s] sootedgapper bets $169, and is all in abinaX calls $134, and is all in sootedgapper shows [Qd Qh 6s Ah] abinaX shows [As 4s Ac Kh] Uncalled bet of $35 returned to sootedgapper *** RIVER *** [Js Th 4h 7s] [7d] sootedgapper shows two pair, Queens and Sevens abinaX shows two pair, Aces and Sevens abinaX wins the pot ($454) with two pair, Aces and Sevens *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $457 | Rake $3 Board: [Js Th 4h 7s 7d] Seat 1: Torres1 (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: MusHansen (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 3: crusader57 (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 4: TastyTomatoes didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: sootedgapper showed [Qd Qh 6s Ah] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sevens Seat 6: IWWSPIOCIL didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: Bonetti folded before the Flop Seat 8: Larha is sitting out Seat 9: abinaX showed [As 4s Ac Kh] and won ($454) with two pair, Aces and Sevens |
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
i d like a checkraise all in on the flop better but your line is ok too i think.
preflop might be questionable, cause you re in a terrible position and your hand isnt that good. |
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
Don't like raising this in your position preflop because of the 6 dangler. I definately like a check on the flop and evaluate his action, most likely c/r and put the pressure back on him.
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
The hand I see get overplayed time and time and time again is that of the nut flush draw.
It is not the nuts, and no, your opponent is not about to fold his 2 aces. Players never fold aces which means, when you shove the guy with aces, make sure you're actually ahead. A flush draw is not the nuts. AQQ6 is garbage for exactly the reason you just found out. You're either hoping to flop top set (in which case why not play every high pocket pair) or a flush. What you don't have which is the important thing in Omaha, is a redraw in your hand. Barring a ridiculous flop like Qs 4h 2h, you are going to find yourself flipping a coin too many times when you hit, and folding the rest of the time. Flush draws are hands where you want to get it all in on the flop WHEN YOU ARE THREE HANDED, not when heads up. Shoving a hand with nothing but a flush draw heads up against an obvious AA (especially when you have a dead ace in your hand) is the road to busto because your opponent will never fold his AA (as a general rule). Your opponent as you saw, was a straight laced player who pots and repots AA preflop all the time, then never folds after the flop no matter what hits. So don't do him a favour, HE TOLD YOU HIS HAND, HE HAS YOU BEAT, SO WHY SHOVE? He ain't foldin. You played this hand terribly. |
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
preflop raise and call of the reraise are bad. i also like the c/r allin on the flop. don't read what the first guy wrote lol
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
Ok this is good, I obv need to fix leaks in my Omaha game.
However, I do have a gutshot and a Q might be good, n0? |
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
I would open fold this preflop in early position. People are going to come in behind you and you're going to be outplayed most of the time.
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
[ QUOTE ]
Ok this is good, I obv need to fix leaks in my Omaha game. However, I do have a gutshot and a Q might be good, n0? [/ QUOTE ] It's fine to raise preflop if that 6 is a better card T or higher (obviously not if it's a queen you funny guy). Once you get reraised by a player you have noticed doesn't reraise much, you can consider tossing it heads up, multi way stay in the pot. Your hand plays much better with more opponents than less. |
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
If this guy is fairly passive and predictable, your hand doesn't play that well against the AAxx he's let you know he has by 3-betting you preflop, so it's probably a wise idea to ditch it here.
This is about as good a flop as you can hope for barring a Q flopping. However, leading out with the big bet on this flop looks like a draw trying to push out aces, and there's a fair chance it would be called (if you had a Jacks instead of Queens in your hand, i'm guessing you'd attempt a check/raise). The problem with the lead bet is that after he calls it on the flop, he'll either call your follow up on a blank turn and get in as a decent favourite (or push if you check to him) or he'll fold if a heart comes and you push. Against naked aces you're about a 55/45 favourite here on this flop but given that your 2 Q's are no good because of his K, you're about a 46/54 dog (not that you can know this during the hand). A check/raise all-in on the flop seems like a better play given the fact that against naked aces you're a slight favourite. It's highly doubtful that he'll fold to your check/raise but I've seen plenty of stranger things happen and I still think there is a small bit of fold equity in it, but like I said you've got to be happy when you get the money in ahead. Ribbo: What do you think of the post-flop play given the equities on the flop? |
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Re: 200 PLO too aggressive?
As a rule, I generally find when people are in a situation where they know their opponent has Aces, they bet out into aces if they are on a draw because they want the guy with Aces to fold. They check raise when they have Aces beaten because they want the guy with Aces to stay in the pot.
In this case, you bet out into him, which I would read as a guy who doesn't have Aces beaten. So unless I think you're particularily tricky, I will read this as a flush draw more often. I wont put you on just a straight draw since you have to fear me holding the ace high flush draw in that case. |
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