Oppenheim is so sick at limit poker

[tvent37]

This guy is the king of max value on hands.

Full Tilt Poker Game #2079305440: Table Hatteras - $1000/$2000 Ante $200 - Limit Seven Card Stud - 2:40:30 ET - 2007/03/27
Seat 1: ZRC ($43,307.50)
Seat 4: John DAgostino ($28,595)
Seat 5: Bomba Clot ($56,751.75)
Seat 7: Jennifer Harman ($21,797)
Seat 8: David Oppenheim ($34,096)
Jennifer Harman antes $200
Bomba Clot antes $200
John DAgostino antes $200
David Oppenheim antes $200
ZRC antes $200
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to David Oppenheim [Ks]
Dealt to ZRC [Qd]
Dealt to John DAgostino [4d]
Dealt to Bomba Clot [4c]
Dealt to Jennifer Harman [Kd]
Bomba Clot is low with [4c]
Bomba Clot brings in for $300
Jennifer Harman folds
David Oppenheim calls $300
ZRC folds
John DAgostino folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to David Oppenheim [Ks] [Ac]
Dealt to Bomba Clot [4c] [8s]
David Oppenheim bets $1,000
Bomba Clot calls $1,000
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to David Oppenheim [Ks Ac] [3h]
Dealt to Bomba Clot [4c 8s] [6h]
David Oppenheim checks
Bomba Clot checks
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to David Oppenheim [Ks Ac 3h] [5c]
Dealt to Bomba Clot [4c 8s 6h] [Jd]
David Oppenheim checks
Bomba Clot bets $2,000
David Oppenheim raises to $4,000
Bomba Clot calls $2,000
*** 7TH STREET ***
David Oppenheim bets $2,000
Bomba Clot calls $2,000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
David Oppenheim shows [Js Jc Ks Ac 3h 5c Th] (a pair of Jacks)
Bomba Clot mucks
David Oppenheim wins the pot ($15,597) with a pair of Jacks
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15,600 | Rake $3
Seat 1: ZRC folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: John DAgostino folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: Bomba Clot mucked
Seat 7: Jennifer Harman folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: David Oppenheim collected ($15,597)

[PokrLikeItsProse]

I don't get it. What is sick about this hand?

[SweetLuckyMe]

Yeah, that's pretty good play in my opinion.

Notice the card his opponent caught that he check-raised on - his J - he knows that didn't hit him. That's nice. I really, really like it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[PoorLawyer]

Well they shuffle cards, so did he have jacks to start, or just catch the river? If he had them to start then I think he played very weak. If he caught the river then it is an interesting check-raise on 6th, most likely trying to get a free showdown if he misses or steal the pot away with air on the river if villain just had a scraggly pair...he seems to be saying, yeah I was going for that check-raise on 5th but you wouldnt bet it for me. If he was really just waiting for 5th to get in an extra big bet, then I think he made a mistake by not raising 3rd....in fact I think he should have raised with whatever he had on 3rd.....and.....string of consciousness.....over.

[Wahoo73]

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I don't get it. What is sick about this hand?


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I don't get it either.

Having said that, I have to assume he had JJ in the hole to start, despite the FTP hole cards being arranged from highest to lowest on the show-down. Given that, I don't like the limp on 3rd street and I don't like the check on 5th street. (Although, it would be interesting to find out from him if he indeed was trying for a check-raise.)

I do like the check-raise on 6th street, however. The fact that opponent catches a J and Oppenheim knows that it had no value to his opponent makes this a creative winner IMO. (I'd like this play even more if Oppenheim had bet 5th street.)

I will definitely keep this ploy in mind for my own game.

[PokrLikeItsProse]

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Well they shuffle cards, so did he have jacks to start, or just catch the river? If he had them to start then I think he played very weak. If he caught the river then it is an interesting check-raise on 6th, most likely trying to get a free showdown if he misses or steal the pot away with air on the river if villain just had a scraggly pair...he seems to be saying, yeah I was going for that check-raise on 5th but you wouldnt bet it for me. If he was really just waiting for 5th to get in an extra big bet, then I think he made a mistake by not raising 3rd....in fact I think he should have raised with whatever he had on 3rd.....and.....string of consciousness.....over.

[/ QUOTE ]

It strikes me that perhaps you need to vary your play by sometimes not completing on third in a short-handed game. I haven't figured out yet when to do so, which is one reason why I shy away from playing short-handed. Since there are fewer antes in the pot, stealing is less profitable, and so is defending against possible steals. I'm guessing that he is better off limping with JJ in the hole rather than JT if he is picking a spot to mix up his play, but I am not sure.

As for what he started with, let's take a poll.

[Bill Murphy]

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I don't get it. What is sick about this hand?


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I don't get it either.



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Nothing wrong with the limp on 3rd, but the check on 5th baffles me, as does both of Bomba's plays on 6th.

The CR on 6th is cute given the hole cards, tho, and the river bet is very strong.

Don't get me wrong, I think this was a WCP having some fun w/FPS in a mega-limit short game against other strong players. I'm guessing all these players are pretty familiar w/each other, and that informed the plays.

I wouldn't advise emulating it in a 20-40 game.

And actually, thx to OP for posting this hand. Always nice to see what the big kids are doing. Certainly generates discussion.

[Andy B]

7 Card Stud High ($1,000/$2,000), Ante $200, Bring-In $300 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (1.80 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks

6th Street - (1.80 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___raises

River - (5.80 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___calls
Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (7.80 BB - $15,600)