Oh No... not QQ again

[schick]

I normally lurk, and don't feel to comfortable offering advice since my game isn't the best. I recently decided to drop from 12 tables to 6-7 (which by the way worked wonders for my bb/100, though I probably was just running hot). I had several incredibly crappy preflop spots today, and these 2 hands with QQ stand out. I hate posting 2 hands in one thread, but they are semi-related.

Both hands occured at the same table with about a 40-50 hand gap between them. I had a recent hard drive crash, literally days before I was about to back up my data base, so I don't have many hands on some of these regulars.

Hand 1: Villan must be a semi-regular TAG, running at 21/14.5/2.1 over 352 hands. He has 3 bet me approximately 3 times already, I have folded each time to his 3-bets.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $223.40
BB (Villain): $670.70
UTG: $190.00
Hero (BTN): $269.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, SB calls $7.00, <font color="red">BB raises to $32.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $120.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $670.70</font>, Hero ???

At this point I am getting roughly 2.67:1 to call. If AK is in his range I am fairly certain this is a call. I did not want to just call preflop and let the SB in. However, I think I could have made a smaller 3 bet for sure... to 85ish. I have no idea why I made a overpot 4-bet. If I make it 85 I'd be getting roughly 2:1 to call.

Hand 2:

I did not notice that the limp/caller was UTG. For some reason I thought he was BB. I think this changes the entire way one would play the hand, knowing that this player limp called UTG. However, for speculations sake let's say the caller was calling from the BB. What would you do in both cases? How often would Villain 2 squeeze in both cases?

Villain 1 (UTG I thought was BB!) is: 24/18/2.39 over 510 hands
Villain 2 (UTG+1) is: 20/18.5/2.7 over 92 hands

Both players have 3-bet a bit, but again there have not been
any 4-bets as of yet.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $117.45
BB: $887.50
UTG: $449.80
MP: $197.00
Hero (CO): $200.00
BTN: $167.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, <font color="red">MP raises to $10.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $28.00</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $26.00, <font color="red">MP raises to $97.00</font>, Hero ???

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

47,944,512 games 0.005 secs 9,588,902,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.857% 39.64% 00.22% 19005028 104399.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 60.143% 59.92% 00.22% 28730686 104399.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

Edit: oops fixed pokerstove

[synbad13]

Both hands seem like folds.
Definately tough situations.

Hand 1 seems like more of a clear fold... although it's true that if AK is in his range, then it's a call (just because I wont shove all my chips in there in a cash game w/ AKo in this spot doesn't mean you villain wont).

In hand 2, the extra money in there makes it closer. The UTG player probably has a worse hand than you (almost certainly), however MP seems to be representing a monster with his play. I would always just call w/ AK in this spot.

JJ is another possibility, but again (like AK) I would slow down vs. your aggression.

[JackAll]

If you 4-bet, then you need to get it all in in H1.
If you are not prepared to do that, just don't 4-bet.
As played, obv get it in since you 4-bet.

H2 is an easy fold I think. With UTG in there, the extra money might make it slightly less -EV, but I think when he shows up with AA/KK, that cancels that out.