KK against a tag, he 4-bets me oop. 5/10 live NL at Motor City.

[flytrap]

The game is 5/10 NL at Motor City. I have about 1700, villain has me covered. Villain is a pretty solid player. I suspect he's an internet type player from his quiet demeanor and somewhat structured betting, not to mention he was likely in his early twenties. A few times he limped early position and I raised, and about 20 minutes before this hand, he raised utg to $35, I made it $100 from the highjack, and he folded. I was raising more than usual do to a proportionally higher amount of good hands, but villain has no way of knowing this since he hasn't played with me before, so my image to him is probably laggier than I really am. On to the hand.
Villain opens UTG for $35, folds to me in the highjack, I make it $100 with black Kings. It folds back around to Villain who makes it $250. My first thought was that he didn't have aces, since we were fairly deep he wouldn't want to give me some great implied odds if I had any pair. Then again, he may think my range is wide and want to get value against my AK type hand. I feel his range to 3-bet me here is aa-jj, and maybe AK. I think the AK and probably JJ make it way more, as he would know these are tough to play oop in reraised pots on the flop. The 2 most likely hands are AA and QQ. I thought for a while, and just called. I figured my best chance of playing a big pot with the best hand would be to smooth-call and pounce on a safish flop. I could have made it $650 or so, but then he shoves aces and maybe the 2 case kings, and probably folds everything else. I don't feel like I can call a push.

Flop Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Pot $515

He bets out $300. Now I've discount AA more, as I feel he would have bet a bit more with the flush draw and straight draw out there. Not necessarily because he's worried about me having those draws, but he may be worried that a scare card on the turn would kill his action. A set of queens here would probably bet around $300. I knew I was likely beat, but I decided to call and re-evaluate the turn.

Turn Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Pot $1115

He leads for $600 and I act like a total douchebag by angrily throwing my cards in the much face-up. Obviously I have to fold here, but it's the only street where I feel confidant I did the right thing. Thoughts on the entire hand?

[RERAISE5823]

$650 Preflop. If he pooshes, read his soul.

[haggy]

I was the villain in this hand and had a little different perspective on it. I know you only remember me opening for $35, you raising to $100, and then me folding happening once - but I'm pretty sure I had given up two or three other hands to you preflop in the same situation. Plus I had been opening a lot of pots from all positions (way more than everyone else at the table) so combined with the fact that I had already given up a few hands to you preflop without a fight, I definitely felt that you were 3-betting me pretty light. I think my 4-betting range is much wider than you're giving me credit for.

I don't know how much it effects the hand, but I do sort of regret my preflop reraise sizing.

Edit: Just thought I'd add that that I would hate a raise on that flop with KK against the preflop 4-bettor since AA and QQ do make up such a substantial percentage of my range (I prefer calling to reevaluate the turn), so I think you played that street fine too. Preflop is fine also IMO - what's wrong with taking a flop in position pretty deep with KK?

[flytrap]

As far as taking a flop with KK, it wasn't horrible to just smooth-call, but against you I think it would have been better to reraise since I had never played with you before, and for all I know will never play with you again. The value of deception isn't as valuable when there may not be any advertising value. My default play there against someone that's 4-betting me a range wider than aces is to reraise, so I probably should have gone with that. As far as the flop, I actually probably should have just folded face-down and not said anything. Since at the time I figured QQ was your most likely hand, not to mention that I'd have to face a big bet on the turn when behind, folding may have been right. Now that you mention your range is wider than the AA-JJ and AK, I'm starting to rethink things, but I had to go with the information that I had.