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[Buzz-cp]

CO is rocky/weak. he was pretty passive with a J9 on a board like: 8JJx8 (i.e. bets/calls flop c/r, & calls down thereafter, even after filling w/top boat.
Others are very LPP call down with lots of weak hands.

In retrospect I thought a flop c/r is probably better.

live 2/4
Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
4 limpers, <font color="red">CO raises</font>, <font color="gray">2 folds</font>, hero &amp; limpers call.

flop: 9 J T r (6, players ~12SB)
<font color="red">Hero donks</font>, <font color="gray">2 folds</font>, 3 callers, incl CO

turn: Q [completes rainbow] (4 players, ~8BB)
Hero?

<font color="blue">I really hate my hand, but I wonder if a bet/fold is in order. Villain is only raising the nuts here, right? He will just call down a flopped set, eh? Or should I c/f?</font>

Buzz

[f97tosc]

I think betting out is in order. Your chances are actually decent here, just counting the unseen cards I get a 56% probability that nobody has a K. Maybe that should be discounted a bit because of COs preflop raise and the flop folders (they probably did not have K), but still.

Bet out for value and to protect yourself against 8 and K on the river.

If you are raised you can probably fold against most players.

[that_guy_33]

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<font color="blue">I really hate my hand, but I wonder if a bet/fold is in order. Villain is only raising the nuts here, right? He will just call down a flopped set, eh? Or should I c/f?</font>

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I say definately b/f

1) For value
2) If you check and some villain bets, you don't know where you are. If it is checked around to them do you think your opponents would bet sets or even two-pair?

[terencetsao]

my first glance is c/f..
but i realize that is too weak
so bet fold to a raise

[marchron]

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In retrospect I thought a flop c/r is probably better.

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Ordinarily, yes, but given your read it's dangerous. A player like CO isn't going to bet [censored] on that board after raising unless he has JJ, and most rocks don't raise that preflop.

Failing to protect here is bad, but letting it get checked through is worse. Donk and hope to God someone raises so you can jam it up.

[bennyhana]

yuck, try and show it down cheap. any raise and I'm gone.

[bennyhana]

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Donk and hope to God someone raises so you can jam it up.

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Jam it up as in 3-betting? If so, that's spew.

[Niediam]

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Donk and hope to God someone raises so you can jam it up.

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Jam it up as in 3-betting? If so, that's spew.

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I totally disagree.

[bennyhana]

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Donk and hope to God someone raises so you can jam it up.

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Jam it up as in 3-betting? If so, that's spew.

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I totally disagree.

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and how would you react to a cap?

[marchron]

Call and bet most turns, 'cause we have the third nuts LDO. What are you afraid of here?