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#11
12-27-2006, 11:03 AM
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Re: 22 set - Flop fold thoughts
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I don't understand your logic here. If you aren't happy to get it in on this flop why did you call the raise and reraise preflop? I don't know if I agree with getting it in or not but surely folding here makes the preflop play incorrect? [/ QUOTE ] are you serious? I think this is a -EV spot because I think UTG has 99 or 33 and that he would probably have called with TT-AA here. Betting this flop could be ok actually, the only problem is that I didn't want to bet, get the guy with an overpair to shove and get the 20/10 player to fold his TT+ hand. The problem I might have is where to put the raise / bet in without convincing the weak tag that he is beaten when I think I am ahead. I called pf to stack him when I make the best hand.... 
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#12
12-27-2006, 11:11 AM
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Re: 22 set - Flop fold thoughts
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[ QUOTE ] I don't understand your logic here. If you aren't happy to get it in on this flop why did you call the raise and reraise preflop? I don't know if I agree with getting it in or not but surely folding here makes the preflop play incorrect? [/ QUOTE ] are you serious? I think this is a -EV spot because I think UTG has 99 or 33 and that he would probably have called with TT-AA here. Betting this flop could be ok actually, the only problem is that I didn't want to bet, get the guy with an overpair to shove and get the 20/10 player to fold his TT+ hand. The problem I might have is where to put the raise / bet in without convincing the weak tag that he is beaten when I think I am ahead. I called pf to stack him when I make the best hand.... [/ QUOTE ] Could you give me an example of a flop board and betting pattern that would make you happy to get it in please? Please note: I'm pretty sure I'm missing something here. Please don't take offence at my questioning your logic, I just don't understand.
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#14
12-27-2006, 11:20 AM
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Re: 22 set - Flop fold thoughts
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convincing the weak tag that he is beaten [/ QUOTE ] Looks like villain did an excellent job of this to me. I do not like your fold. I am not a fan of the preflop call of the re-raise unless you are planning to stack off when you hit. That board is very dry. AA-Q will think they are golden here.
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#16
12-27-2006, 11:40 AM
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Re: 22 set - Flop fold thoughts
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i think this would be an absolutely terrible spot for UTG to pop up with QQ+ here [/ QUOTE ] Agree, but hero's read is "UTG is too loose post flop". Hard to narrow his range to exactly the two hands that beat hero based on that read.
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#17
12-27-2006, 11:50 AM
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Re: 22 set - Flop fold thoughts
Bad fold imo.
Push, that will very much look like something like 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or the nut flush draw and its a pretty big chance UTG will call with a high overpair. If you are up vs a higher set its nothing to do about it here.
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#18
12-27-2006, 11:55 AM
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Re: 22 set - Flop fold thoughts
After that Preflop action i shove, they raised and reraised.
Perhaps 2 high pocket pairs. But what does it matter? You have a set and there`s just a 3,9 in the flop. If it would be AA/KK i could fold.
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#20
12-27-2006, 12:44 PM
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Re: 22 set - Flop fold thoughts
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UTG is solidish but calls too much 22/10 and too loose postflop but not very aggressive. Other guy is 30/15 and has 370 left on flop. Myself and the solid player have 1000 left on the flop. No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $2/$5 6 players Converter Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $20</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $65</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls. Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($202, 3 players) UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $145</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $300</font>, Hero folds [/ QUOTE ] Fold pre flop, I don't like this call with so many people to act after you. As played with 200BB+, a fold here is OK. I wouldn't do it though. Just wondering, do you fold 33 here?
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