KK the passive way

[ssmallz]

Here's a hand that I liked the way I played but I wasn't sure if it was correct

30/20 opens UTG I 3 ball KK otb, 22/7 (over 30 hands) BB caps, we all call.

Flop Q77

bb donks, utg calls, I call

Turn J, bb donks UTG folds, I call

River 8, BB donks I call

I think I should have raised the flop but I can't find a raise on teh big streets given his cold capping range (TT-AA, AK, AQ). OTOH, if he's got a hand like AK or TT, its just fine if he keeps donking off his chips on every street. No reason to try to fold him off his hand right?

[jstill]

seems good

raising the flops an option but whatever, I wouldnt raise the turn once its HU so obviously I wouldnt raise the river either. I probably wouldnt raise the turn even if UTG called or the turn was a blank.

if BB cks the river I guess I bet and call a raise (getting owned mostly) but just hoping for an overplayed AQ or chopping KK in this sized pot.

nit point: BB isnt donking the flop since he was the capper

[gaming_mouse]

well played.

[surfdoc]

You played it better then you posted it. Sometimes you get in a spot where putting in a raise never seems to make sense. What do you do on the turn if BB bets and UTG raises? This would be unpleasant enough a spot where I think I could put in a flop raise just to prevent it. UTG could very well have AQ here and that would really suck to fold the best hand. If you get 3 bet by the BB then you can just calldown and it will cost you an extra bet but not the whole pot.

[joop]

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Here's a hand that I liked the way I played but I wasn't sure if it was correct

30/20 opens UTG I 3 ball KK otb, 22/7 (over 30 hands) BB caps, we all call.

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I am gonna go against the previous posters, having skimmed through their responses...

And say, you are basing this guys capping range on 30 hands? Well, this is not enough. Just raise the flop and take it from there. Was he fully stacked at the time, also? I assume he was, since you didn't mention it.

[ssmallz]

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Here's a hand that I liked the way I played but I wasn't sure if it was correct

30/20 opens UTG I 3 ball KK otb, 22/7 (over 30 hands) BB caps, we all call.

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I am gonna go against the previous posters, having skimmed through their responses...

And say, you are basing this guys capping range on 30 hands? Well, this is not enough. Just raise the flop and take it from there. Was he fully stacked at the time, also? I assume he was, since you didn't mention it.

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I didn't base my capping range entirely on his 30 hands, just giving the info provided. The capping range I gave is a pretty standard capping range for most non maniacal opponents.

[joop]

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I didn't base my capping range entirely on his 30 hands, just giving the info provided. The capping range I gave is a pretty standard capping range for most non maniacal opponents.

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Sure, it's a reasonable range, so I put it into pokerstove and this is what we get...

4,448,178 games 0.109 secs 40,808,972 games/sec

Board: Qs 7h 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.097% 55.78% 01.31% 2481295 58459.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 31.999% 30.53% 01.47% 1358138 65222.50 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 10.905% 10.45% 00.45% 464899 20164.50 { 55+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A9o+, KJo+, QJo }

I assumed rainbow flop since you didn't specify. We got 57% equity, more than enough for a value raise.

One thing I haven't considered is UTG's call on the flop with you still to act. I really don't know what to make of this, was there a FD on the flop? I am gonna narrow his range to what I think he could have, although not played how I would play it, and post results.

2,313,486 games 0.031 secs 74,628,580 games/sec

Board: Qs 7h 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.913% 52.54% 01.37% 1215596 31675.50 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 30.776% 29.21% 01.57% 675708 36291.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 15.311% 14.54% 00.78% 336283 17932.50 { 55+, AQs+, KQs, QTs+, AQo+, KQo, QJo }

This lowers our equity slightly, but it's pretty hard to put UTG on a hand... regardless, we still have 54% and I think not raising for value is a mistake.

Oh, and I think most guys with TT are calling to the river, since you are OTB and your flop raise could mean any PP (this is how they think). And since AK picked up a gutshot on the turn and the pot is getting big, he will be showing down also.

Please let me know your thoughts, maybe I am way off.

joop

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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You played it better then you posted it. Sometimes you get in a spot where putting in a raise never seems to make sense. What do you do on the turn if BB bets and UTG raises? This would be unpleasant enough a spot where I think I could put in a flop raise just to prevent it. UTG could very well have AQ here and that would really suck to fold the best hand. If you get 3 bet by the BB then you can just calldown and it will cost you an extra bet but not the whole pot.

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This is exactly how I feel, and thats a big reason why Im raising the flop.

[ssmallz]

Joop,

Good post man, I agree w/your analysis completly and thats part of the reason I posted the hand. Raising the flop seems like the correct thing to do as you and everyone else has pointed out, I just wasn't sure on what range to put him on.