$109 EPT Satellite - Tough Fold?

[Jonathan]

Hi,

Satellite to to the weekend EPT qualifier. Blinds 75/150.

Hero has 2805 (less than average at this point)
Villain has 8170 (one of the chip leaders)

I am UTG with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and open min raise to 300
Folds to Villian on the button who raises 900 to 1200. SB and BB fold.

If I call, I am left with an awkward stack size OOP.
So that leaves, folding or pushing.

Is one or the other clearcut to you in this situation?

Thanks,
Jonathan

[LuckyLloyd]

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Hi,

Satellite to to the weekend EPT qualifier. Blinds 75/150.

Hero has 2805 (less than average at this point)
Villain has 8170 (one of the chip leaders)

I am UTG with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and open min raise to 300
Folds to Villian on the button who raises 900 to 1200. SB and BB fold.

If I call, I am left with an awkward stack size OOP.
So that leaves, folding or pushing.

Is one or the other clearcut to you in this situation?

Thanks,
Jonathan

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Don't open - minraise UTG. kjkjffj kgjhfgdgfsj

You have less than 20BBs and have miles to go until the package = arrr iiiin pre - flop with QQ.

And I'm sorry he had a better hand this time - the results are unimportant.

But the min raise hurts my brain. dsahdahdahajghkj [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[ASPoker8]

Quick question before I get into the decision... Why did you minraise? What was the reasoning behind the minimum raise?

Anyways, shove

[ZBTHorton]

Ummmmmmm......seriously?

[manub]

I personally don't hate min-raising all that much if it's done correctly.

I remember reading in the FTP Poker strategy guide (tournament edition) that Chris Ferguson advocates a min-raise in early position. His argument is that it will basically have the same effect as a 3BB raise on pretty much everyone except the blinds, who will be facing tough decisions post-flop even if they get good odds to see the flop. It's also consistent with a small ball approach to the game.

Anyway, to answer OP's question, it's a clear shove here. Button is more likely trying to push you around with a weaker hand than having AA or KK. He's giving you a good chance to double up, and you're going to need those chips to get the package.

[Soulman]

manub, you don't play small ball with QQ with 19 BBs - you WANT to get it all-in.

Easy shove OP - you're ahead of his range and have odds. I doubt villain has a very wide range, but still QQ is good enough even vs JJ+,AK.

[manub]

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manub, you don't play small ball with QQ with 19 BBs - you WANT to get it all-in.

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I wasn't telling OP to play small ball here, just pointing out a few advantages of min-raising in EP. A lot of posters here scream when they see someone open with a min-raise in a tournament, while it's a small mistake at worst and a fine play in the right circumstances.

Of course it's an easy shove.

[0evg0]

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I personally don't hate min-raising all that much if it's done correctly.

I remember reading in the FTP Poker strategy guide (tournament edition) that Chris Ferguson advocates a min-raise in early position. His argument is that it will basically have the same effect as a 3BB raise on pretty much everyone except the blinds, who will be facing tough decisions post-flop even if they get good odds to see the flop. It's also consistent with a small ball approach to the game.

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[manub]

Comparing me to durrrr is quite a compliment, thank you!

[Jonathan]

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Don't open - minraise UTG. kjkjffj kgjhfgdgfsj

You have less than 20BBs and have miles to go until the package = arrr iiiin pre - flop with QQ.

And I'm sorry he had a better hand this time - the results are unimportant.

But the min raise hurts my brain. dsahdahdahajghkj [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I thought there might be some objections such as this to the min raise. But
why? I've been experimenting recently with the min raise in early position
ever since reading Chen and Ankemann's book. They do some game theory
analysis which leads them to make small raises up front. I've been trying it
out and its interesting.

In this particular case, If my goal is to get all the money in PreFlop, then the
min riase worked out just great didn't it? Allin as first in doesn't cut it.

I decided to reraise allin preflop, which I guess seems pretty obvious to
most of you. But when I got shown KK and was eliminated I began to
doubt my play, which is why I posted the hand here. Just checking.

Thanks,
Jonathan