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Old 03-06-2007, 09:27 AM
Sintax Sintax is offline
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Default Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

By tough, I would say 1-2 weak players, 5-6 strong players and 2-3 lags.

You play a tight aggressive game 15/8 (VIP/PFR)

Can the rake be overcome?
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Old 03-06-2007, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

Well, if we assume 30 hands/hour, that would imply that 45BB are raked out of the table per hour, which would require the 2 suckers to donate over 20BB/hour each. That's not usually going to happen unless they're colosally bad.

Which means that this game can only be beaten by being a super-shark and taking money off the "strong players" and "lags". This table can support either 0 or 1 long term winners depending on the exact players involved. So unless this is your only option, I wouldn't even bother trying.
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:08 PM
Ralph Wiggum Ralph Wiggum is offline
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

This is your typical $1/2 online game. Yes, it can be beat, since it's highly unlikely there are 5-6 strong players in the game at these stakes.
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?


Go. Up. Dude.
2/4 multi-tabling - you could beat the rake.
And I promise their arent many sharks waiting for you there.

Live? - 3/6 barely cuts it I think.
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

Hmm I am actually playing micro limits but am slowly building a role where ill be comfortable playing 1/2 and this interests me. Considering the high rake at this level is it really hard to make a long term profit or perhaps you only mean in though games. I like to watch 1/2 (at Absolute)sometimes to see what I can expect and honestly did not see any major difference from .5/1. If the games are filled with fish at 1/2 is it beatable in the long run?
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Old 03-08-2007, 12:18 AM
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

A better question is: Can a tough $1/2 Limit Game exist? And if it can, will it make a sound?
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Old 03-08-2007, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

These games are definitely beatable in the long run but you have to be reasonably better than the competition.
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Old 03-11-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

I am experiencing the same problem, I am in the process of building my bankroll, and 1-2 is the next level for me, however I have been beating the hell out of the 0.50-1$ games... would 1800$ be enough to start a 3-6 game? at what limit does the opposittion become really tough? when I watch the 3-6 games it seems the players are much better than in the 0.50-1$ games so even if I am a big winner in those I might not be profitable in the 3-6 games... Any advice what I should do???
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Old 03-11-2007, 05:32 PM
Mr. Ratface Mr. Ratface is offline
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

If you wish to skip 1/2 limit why don't you jump to 2/4 instead of going straight to 3/6? Your bankroll is easily big enough to play 2/4 while it might be too small for 3/6, especially if you're playing shorthanded.

I guess this depends on the site, but I heard that 3/6 was one of the thougher limits online, even thougher than 5/10, as most of the multitabling TAGs play at 3/6. It's only something I heard and cannot say from experience though.
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Old 03-12-2007, 12:57 AM
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Default Re: Can a tough $1/$2 Limit Game ($3 Rake) be beaten in the long run?

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Well, if we assume 30 hands/hour, that would imply that 45BB are raked out of the table per hour, which would require the 2 suckers to donate over 20BB/hour each. That's not usually going to happen unless they're colosally bad.


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For a game with an average pot size of 5 bets (which is typical given the description he provided), the average rake per hand would be 0.25 bets with a 5% max 3 rake structure.
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