Screwplay then sexy

sharpie · #1 07-24-2006, 06:53 PM

1) Villain is 46/6/1.3ish

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks

2) Villain is 50/20/2.1, opened J3o OTB and 3 barreled

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks

Nick C · #2 07-24-2006, 06:59 PM

Hand 1: Well, you'd think it'd either be a stubborn PP or another ace (although we can't completely rule out a 4 against this guy).

I think I like it.

Hand 2: I'd probably just bet-call here, partly because I'm not really crazy about that river card.

I guess it doesn't matter much if you think a checkraise-fold would be safe, but I don't like making plays like that against LAGs.

GMMigge · #3 07-24-2006, 07:29 PM

A potential 3-bet scares me a lot less in the first hand than in the second hand. That combined with a somewhat ugly river card in the second hand makes me like your screwplay a lot more than your sexy.

gehrig · #4 07-24-2006, 07:36 PM

lead the turn in hand one. u cant bet/raise if u check first. if ur ego needs to c/r someone do it on the river

in hand two ur losing way too much value from ace and king high

Ninth Path · #5 07-24-2006, 07:40 PM

Hand 1: Are you planning on check-raising? I'd bet...but check-raise if I checked. Too dangerous he'll take the free card when he would have called another bet.

Hand 2: You definitely need to bet this. A cheap showdown seems to be what he wants...

Ninth Path

Dazarath · #6 07-24-2006, 07:44 PM

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Are you planning on check-raising?

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Yes, by definition, a screwplay is checkraising the turn after you were the last aggressor on the flop.

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Hand 2: You definitely need to bet this. A cheap showdown seems to be what he wants...

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I agree with this, unless the OP has a read that the villain is clueless. There are some players who auto-bet when checked to, and in this case the sexy is awesome here. But against your average player, I expect them to check behind.

synbad13 · #7 07-24-2006, 08:50 PM

I'd bet both.

Depending on your stats/how other players view you... I would call, but not bet a top pair hand in hand 2 (which is more likely than someone who rivered a better hand).

Hand 1, I don't see any reason to not bet.

Kwaz · #8 07-24-2006, 10:07 PM

Hand 1. I prefer a sexy if you're going to try a move. There's plenty of hands that aren't betting this turn (FD). PP may even fold to screwplay. I'm not even sure I like a sexy, but I like it more than a screwplay. I'm all for the moves but I think this one is bet/bet/bet.

Hand 2. As long as you can fold to a 3bet.

jba · #9 07-25-2006, 01:15 AM

hand 1: what are you hoping for? if he has a pair he's worried yours is bigger and will probably check. he might even check a worse ace, but probably not. I'd rather bet.

hand 2: too likely he has a very very bad made hand or ace high and will check behind but call. there are no busted draws for him to bluff off of. it's probably close though.