Open Challenge to 2+2 Community

[IWant2Believe]

I know much you are saying....I will definitely post those shortly.....But in the mean time wouldn't hurt for you to try for yourself as well....

[dlk9s]

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I'd like to hear from the OP his thoughts on why Stars would wait until the S&G is down to 5 players before rigging it.

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Off top of my head...umm..Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble...thus pushing their chips into the middle under perhaps not soo favourable situations

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I thought you'd say that.

The statement, "Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble," is exactly why it makes NO sense for the S&G's to be "rigged" once the table is down to five people. It doesn't need to be. If people are forced to gamble because of the higher blinds, the field will be whittled down quickly without "rigging."

It would make more sense to "rig" it early when the stacks are deep. You know, first hand (this actually happened in a MTT I was in on a different site tonight) deal someone AA and another KK.

Besides, the micro S&G's are so full of donkeys (I should know - I'm too much of a pansy to play past the $11 S&G's) that people commit all their chips with completely stupid cards all the time. There's no need to "rig" it with these people.

Now that I have pummeled you with knowledge, you can stop posting.

[Losing all]

Thanks for throwing yourself on the stars $3 sng grenade. I've been wanting to step up on this important issue for years, I just didn't have the courage. Don't listen to all these cutters, they have no idea how deep this scandal runs.


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[Lessu]

I am so bored I am gonna play 10 of these at once

[IWant2Believe]

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I'd like to hear from the OP his thoughts on why Stars would wait until the S&G is down to 5 players before rigging it.

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the last posts makes it sound like you lost because you pushed under unfavourable situations....what I meant to say is that it's usually when you are the favorite...but are pushing because of the blinds/stack staus or what not...but even though u r the clear favorite...you will loose in those situations if it helps to elliminate you and end the tournament faster.....I hope this makes sense...I know it would be a lot easier if I showed you the exact situations....that;s why this was a challenge for the 2+2er to try for themselves what I was trying to say ...it is indeed very consistant and predictable.....

[IWant2Believe]

"The statement, "Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble," is exactly why it makes NO sense for the S&G's to be "rigged" once the table is down to five people. It doesn't need to be. If people are forced to gamble because of the higher blinds, the field will be whittled down quickly without "rigging."

It would make more sense to "rig" it early when the stacks are deep. You know, first hand (this actually happened in a MTT I was in on a different site tonight) deal someone AA and another KK. "




This is EXACTLY the type of COMMON SENSE thinking that allows for it to go unnoticed.....You have fallen victim to your own intelligence......IF IT IS SOO OBVIOUS WHY WOULD THEY DO IT.....is precisely how they are getting away with it...

[Lessu]

PokerStars Game #12731904339: Tournament #64614259, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/10/20 - 00:32:32 (ET)
Table '64614259 1' 10-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tundrajack (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: carggle (1420 in chips)
Seat 3: Lessu (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: Bigcluff (1800 in chips)
Seat 5: Oz Nurse (1870 in chips)
Seat 6: C-Notez (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: Bhangra23 (1300 in chips)
Seat 8: nickenick (1300 in chips)
Seat 9: R_Gilotti (1500 in chips)
Seat 10: coco banana (1420 in chips)
Oz Nurse: posts small blind 10
C-Notez: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lessu [9c 8c]
Bhangra23: calls 20
nickenick: calls 20
R_Gilotti: folds
coco banana: calls 20
tundrajack: folds
carggle: folds
Lessu: calls 20
Bigcluff: calls 20
Oz Nurse: calls 10
C-Notez: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 5c Kd]
Oz Nurse: checks
C-Notez: checks
Bhangra23: bets 80
nickenick: raises 80 to 160
coco banana: calls 160
Lessu: raises 1290 to 1450 and is all-in
Bigcluff: folds
Oz Nurse: folds
C-Notez: folds
Bhangra23: calls 1200 and is all-in
nickenick: calls 1120 and is all-in
coco banana: calls 1240 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6c 5c Kd] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [6c 5c Kd 6s] [7c]
Bhangra23 said, "lol"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coco banana: shows [8s 7h] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Lessu: shows [9c 8c] (a straight flush, Five to Nine)
Lessu collected 240 from side pot
Bhangra23: shows [Kh Qd] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
nickenick: shows [6h 6d] (four of a kind, Sixes)
Lessu collected 5260 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5500 Main pot 5260. Side pot 240. | Rake 0
Board [6c 5c Kd 6s 7c]
Seat 1: tundrajack folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: carggle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Lessu showed [9c 8c] and won (5500) with a straight flush, Five to Nine
Seat 4: Bigcluff (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Oz Nurse (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: C-Notez (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Bhangra23 showed [Kh Qd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 8: nickenick showed [6h 6d] and lost with four of a kind, Sixes
Seat 9: R_Gilotti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: coco banana showed [8s 7h] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Sixes

obviously rigged

[RR]

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"The statement, "Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble," is exactly why it makes NO sense for the S&G's to be "rigged" once the table is down to five people. It doesn't need to be. If people are forced to gamble because of the higher blinds, the field will be whittled down quickly without "rigging."

It would make more sense to "rig" it early when the stacks are deep. You know, first hand (this actually happened in a MTT I was in on a different site tonight) deal someone AA and another KK. "




This is EXACTLY the type of COMMON SENSE thinking that allows for it to go unnoticed.....You have fallen victim to your own intelligence......IF IT IS SOO OBVIOUS WHY WOULD THEY DO IT.....is precisely how they are getting away with it...

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Which sites do you suggest for an honest game? What is your name there so I can make sure I am at the right site?

[OziBattler]

Iwant2Believe,

1. how much have u lost in these games so far?
2. please tell us ur stars SN so we can sharkscope u

[IWant2Believe]

Which sites do you suggest for an honest game? What is your name there so I can make sure I am at the right site?


I have no idea..I am not saying the whole site is rigged....all I said was it is CLEAR that the RNG had anamolies that favoure the site...all You have to do is either believe it....if you are curious..go ahead..try it...if you are convinced that they are not....show me your HH and I will point to you exactly where those anamolies are....